• How not to argue with racialists

    “The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments. ” – Nietzsche

    I’ve been gathering material for a long post refuting the modern racialists, since they seem to spread with alarming speed.  It looks like I might need to hurry it up, since some of the attempts to oppose this are rather worse than useless.

    Case in point, this post.

    An obvious racialist asks why the “indigenous people of Africa” didn’t develop prior to colonization, and specifically discusses Roman colonization.

    The blog owner, with one job to do, proceeds to screw it up.

    In the first paragraph our brave Social Justice Warrior mentions:

    –  The Great Libraries of Timbuktu (8th century, over a millenium after the library at Alexandria was founded)

    – Steel metallurgy of the Haya (again, after the Roman empire, which doesn’t address the questioners point, and is eleven centuries after iron working arrived in Greece)

    – Dentistry (from India, which last time I checked wasn’t in Africa)

    – Caesarian section (ditto).

    – Mathematics (Sumeria, Babylon, Ancient Egypt and its first full beginning in Greece), Architecture (ditto), and Engineering (yup, the classical civilizations again).


    Head in Hands

    Starting with unloading that semiautomatic into his lower extremities, our social justice warrior proceeds to make it much, much worse.  He airly proceeds to cite the peoples of mediterranean North Africa and India, over and over again, as arguments in his favour, ignoring that the latter are definitely not Africa, and that both are genetically Caucasian (not what white supremacists want to hear, but that’s their problem, not mine).  Next up he cites the Minoans, who were Europeans, and merrily marches on to cite the Mayans, forgetting that these are the people most genetically distant from Africans in the world (think about it: they had to leave Africa, interbreed, perhaps multiple times with Neaderthalers, then cross all Asia, then the Behring land-bridge, then all of North America, and then, finally, South America) [EDIT: I’m reminded that Mesoamerica isn’t South America; fair enough, but it does include portions of the South American continent, and the point about genetic distance still stands] .



    Finally, our chum manages to get off some good points about the lack of race discrimination (at least in the modern sense) in Ancient Greece and Rome, but by this point the post is beyond salvaging.

    If you can’t make a good argument for a good case, don’t make one.  You’re just boosting the other side with this nonsense.  I’ve been loud about the fact that Skepticism is too important to leave in the hands of SJW nitwits, it appears that anti-racism is equally ill cared for in these hands.

    The sooner I get my own stuff together, the better.

    Category: Life and ReasonRace and racismSkepticism

    Article by: The Prussian

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    • f_galton

      The religious deny the fact of evolution. Liberals deny the fact evolution produces racial differences.

      • ThePrussian

        And what about me? Where do I fall then? I am not a liberal in the sense you mean, and I understand the differences that evolution has produced. And I know that racial determinism, and the stuff preached by the white supremacists is a load of crap.

        • f_galton

          If you understand the racial differences evolution has produced then surely you also understand acknowledging the different capabilities and aptitudes of the various races does not make one a supremacist.

          • ThePrussian

            To be sure; for example, West Africans are the best in sprints; while east Africans excel at 5,000 and 10,000 metre race, and Caucasians are very good at weight-lifting.

            Where I disagree is in terms of racial determinism of the sort that VDARE and similar groups go in for. The evidence just doesn’t back it up.

            • f_galton

              There are differences in cognitive and physical abilities.

            • ThePrussian

              Yes, I thought we’d get to that particular one. Please stick around when my piece on that comes out. I think you will find it interesting.

    • Albert Cornelius Doyle

      The Mayans were never in South America. They were primarily North American (Mexico), with some extensions into Belize, Guatemala, Honduras, and northernmost El Salvador.
      I won’t even get into the shabby biological reasoning, particularly in the comments.

      • ThePrussian

        Fair enough; could you point out the shabby biological reasoning here?

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