• A Question for Anti-Drone Trolls

    Go Ahead Mr Chomsky, Tell Them They Should Be Sex Slaves
    Go Ahead Noam Chomsky, Tell Them They Should Be Sex Slaves

    As the world twirls its thumbs, the brave Kurdish women of the city of Kobani, on the border between Syria and Turkey are fending off the savages of Islamic State, know locally as Daish (for its initials in Arabic). It is hard to imagine purer evil than Daish. There isn’t any criminal, barbaric act this group has not committed: mass killings and beheadings were only the warm up, forced conversions and ethnic cleansing of minorities soon followed, but even the Nazis, as far as I am aware, did not trade sex slaves openly (heck, when I quoted the Muslim woman who wanted infidel “spoils of war” women to be sex slaves, I also mentioned her critics among Muslims-but alas, her ideas about Islam and women are far from fringe). And hence the stakes for the female peshmarga (the Kurdish word for the militias) could hardly be higher.

    And yet, the heroism of these women is not the only thing standing between the Daish rapists and their “prize”. The role of the US air force (to the dismay of extremist isolationists such as Ron Paul, I assume?) in defending their lives cannot be underestimated.

    Kobani appeared close to falling a week ago as Islamic State entered its eastern and southern districts and raised its black flag. As recently as Saturday, Kurdish leaders were calling for the air strikes to be stepped up.

    In recent days, as the air strikes have increased, the militants have made little progress. The Kurds say they have taken back areas on the west of the town. U.S. President Barack Obama expressed deep concern on Tuesday about the situation in Kobani as well as in Iraq’s Anbar province which U.S. troops fought to secure during the Iraq war.

    The intensified air campaign around Kobani has lifted the spirits of Kurds who have maintained a vigil watching the fighting from a hilltop just over the border in Turkey.

    Dozens cheered as a powerful air strike hit eastern Kobani on Wednesday afternoon, sending up a plume of smoke.

    Abdulrahman Gok, a journalist inside Kobani, said the latest air strikes had allowed the YPG [Kurdish militia] to make some gains.

    “Following the air strikes, I went to the last safe point in eastern side of the city. Some buildings that had been occupied by IS fighters were empty,” he said. “On the west, YPG destroyed a vehicle that belonged to IS and killed the militants inside.”

    The other angle to the story is that the biggest local player, Turkey, was content util fairly recently to watch passively as carnage went on; according to the New York Times, Turkey would prefer to stand by as its two enemies (Daish and the Kurds) “duked it out”. Under pressure from the US, however, Turkey finally relented, allowing a trickle of the peshmarga to proceed through its territory from Iraq, to join the fight against Daish. And guess who’s very, very unhappy with this turn of events:

    In the Syrian capital of Damascus, a political adviser to President Bashar Assad accused Ankara of trying to expand its influence in Syria by sending in anti-government forces.

    “I see that Turkey is continuing in its role of aggression against Syria and its very dangerous role in the region,” Bouthaina Shaaban said in an interview with the AP.

    Shaaban suggested Turkey was trying to revive its dominant role during the Ottoman Empire and did not care about saving the Kurds. [Lol-well at least he got it the very last part right!]

    The Foreign Ministry in Damascus called the action “a blatant violation of Syrian sovereignty and international law.”

    Which brings me to my final point.

    While I have called the US drone war against Islamic militants a necessary evil and expressed my wishes that they could be tackled in such a way not to put civilian life in danger, I have earned the wrath of a good few of my fellow secularists, including right here on this network. And despite the points raised about drone strikes toll on civilians and their playing into the hands of militants through boosting their recruitment efforts (which I have responded to elsewhere), the bulk of the objections remains the matter of international law and sovereignty; in the words of the despicable Noam Chomsky on the killing of Osama bin Laden,

    It’s increasingly clear that the operation was a planned assassination, multiply violating elementary norms of international law.

    We might ask ourselves how we would be reacting if Iraqi commandos landed at George W. Bush’s compound, assassinated him, and dumped his body in the Atlantic.

    So the question for Chomsky and his ilk would be, are they as much against the air campaign against Daish and the pressure on Turkey to allow help to reach the Kurds, as they have been against the drone war and the killing of bin Laden? As it happens, the Syrian regime’s objections to the latter actions stand on PRECISELY the same grounds that Chomsky and other terror apologists have used to condemn the drone war: violation of a foreign nation’s sovereignty. Whether in Syria or Pakistan, these strikes have been carried out against failed states that have already lost control over large chunks of their territory, and are totally unable (and in some cases, unwilling) to apprehend militants who have not only carried out attacks against the US and other countries, but won’t even stop making threats to repeat such acts, and hence making US action against them justifiable self defense (yes, under the international law). And if they are willing to side with the regime of Syria (which they have to, if they want to be consistent) would they have rather seen Kobani fall and its women “marketed” already?

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    Article by: No Such Thing As Blasphemy

    I was raised in the Islamic world. By accident of history, the plague that is entanglement of religion and government affects most Muslim majority nations a lot worse the many Christian majority (or post-Christian majority) nations. Hence, I am quite familiar with this plague. I started doubting the faith I was raised in during my teen years. After becoming familiar with the works of enlightenment philosophers, I identified myself as a deist. But it was not until a long time later, after I learned about evolutionary science, that I came to identify myself as an atheist. And only then, I came to know the religious right in the US. No need to say, that made me much more passionate about what I believe in and what I stand for. Read more...
    • kraut2

      Are you not able to see a difference between drones used in combat or drones used to target persons that are only presumed – without clear evidence – to be enemies of the state, thus by default combatants, be they actually that or not.
      If you cannot differentiate between a scenario wher fighters are on the ground, and where the government arbitrarily based on usually ?what evidence that the targets are enemies than I really will have no further truck with one who clearly is in the camp of extralegal extermination, and as such a proponent of lawless tyranny.

      Your choice of the word trone troll however indicates clearly “wes geistes kind” you are, something that I as a german have come to despise utterly based on the history in Germany of conveniently killing those the state labels its enemies – scores of martyred writers, union members, jews, gypsies can attest to that.

      • NoCrossNoCrescent

        I am sorry but I have talked about all this elsewhere. This post is only about the argument from sovereignty.

        • kraut2

          Yes, you have talked about it elsewhere but your addressing those who might be critical of drone use as “trolls” is exactly based on the history of critique of your various posts where you seem to defend unrestricted drone use.

          If you do not want to have previous history dragged into this discussion, I recommend you change your header. It definetely was a red flag for me and stopped me from reading the article past the first lines.

    • kraut2

      To counter your rather simplistic arguments as to the “problem” of ISIS which was after all created with the help of the US and gulf states:

      “On
      September 11, US Secretary of State Kerry met Saudi King Abdullah at
      his palace on the Red Sea. The King invited former head of Saudi
      intelligence, Prince Bandar to attend. There a deal was hammered out
      which saw Saudi support for the Syrian airstrikes against ISIS on
      condition Washington backed the Saudis in toppling Assad, a firm ally of
      Russia and de facto of Iran and an obstacle to Saudi and UAE plans to
      control the emerging EU natural gas market and destroy Russia’s
      lucrative EU trade. A report in the Wall Street Journal noted there had
      been “months of behind-the-scenes work by the US and Arab leaders, who
      agreed on the need to cooperate against Islamic State, but not how or
      when. The process gave the Saudis leverage to extract a fresh US
      commitment to beef up training for rebels fighting Mr. Assad, whose
      demise the Saudis still see as a top priority.”

      Qatar,
      today the world’s largest exporter of LNG, largely to Asia, wants the
      same EU market that Iran and Syria eye. For that, they would build
      pipelines to the Mediterranean. Here is where getting rid of the
      pro-Iran Assad is essential. In 2009 Qatar approached Bashar al-Assad to
      propose construction of a gas pipeline from Qatar’s north Field through
      Syria on to Turkey and to the EU. Assad refused, citing Syria’s long
      friendly relations with Russia and Gazprom. That refusal combined with
      the Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline agreement in 2011 ignited the
      full-scale Saudi and Qatari assault on Assad’s power, financing al Qaeda
      terrorists, recruits of Jihadist fanatics willing to kill Alawite and
      Shi’ite “infidels” for $100 a month and a Kalishnikov. The Washington
      neo-conservative warhawks in and around the Obama White House, along
      with their allies in the right-wing Netanyahu government, were cheering
      from the bleachers as Syria went up in flames after spring 2011. – See
      more at:
      http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2014/10/24/the-secret-stupid-saudi-us-deal-on-syria/#sthash.yrSEikPh.dpuf

      I come to see you as nothing but a shill for the American Empire, an Empire that creates chaos by any means possible, even inside its own borders, impoverishing its own middle class to the enrichment of the 1 percenters. the too big to fail banks and wall street.

      • NoCrossNoCrescent

        Boy you are long winded. I won’t even bother to go over your writing point by point-you’ve again gone back to the Tu Quoque fallacy that I exposed a long, long time ago, but if I am such a horrible person, what the heck are you doing coming back here? You know I don’t follow blogs I don’t like, seems you are here simply to create discord-and there is a word for that.
        PS IS is an Al Qaeda splinter group and while splintering happens all the time (ask the IRA for example) its parent organization freaking committed 9/11.