• The secular sky isn’t falling

    In recent months there has been significant chatter on the blogs and twitters about atheist in-fighting and division. If you have no idea what I am talking about, this post is not for you. It is a fact that there has been bitterness and division. Ugly attacks of atheists on other atheists, coming from every “side”. Many have also written on how to address this problem, how to heal or get past it. As much as I see some very real problems that need to be addressed, I find the common view of this issue flawed. It is often myopic and distorted. The apparent scope and impact are exaggerated by the shrillness of the howling, the cruelty of the barbs.

    I would like to offer three arguments that I hope help to ground our perspective a bit better. Starting with…


    Excellent secular work has gone on unabated throughout everything

    Here’s a short list of terrific work that has gone on uninterrupted, amid the screams that the secular sky is falling.

    • Jessica Ahlquist and her activism was embraced and supported, and that support may have been key to her success. She was given opportunities to return the favor by speaking and inspiring many others. My heart wells with joy and pride as a secular activist just thinking about it. There are other great young activists as well with a similar story, like Zack Kopplin.
    • Record-breaking world-class atheist philanthropy: Reddit atheists raised a $150,000 for Doctors Without Borders. Foundation Beyond Belief raised over $430,000 for the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society. Absolutely amazing work.
    • Campus and metro secular groups have continued to increase in number and size, along with a fast-growing set of high school groups for the first time ever. These all provide community and education to nonbelievers. Shout out to my local campus group here at UCLA: BASS.  Rock on, Bruins.
    • Inspiring speakers like Richard Dawkins, Bridget Gaudette, D.J. Grothe, James Croft, Susan Jacoby and many many more have addressed audiences across the country and via the media. Secularism has some of the finest speakers in the world, educating, inspiring and enriching audiences. Also, atheists are a hotter ticket in the media and at venues than ever before.
    • Many excellent books by atheist authors have been published. Consider The Great Agnostic by Susan Jacoby, Every Day is an Atheist Holiday by Penn Jillette, Freedom of Religion and the Secular State by our own Russell Blackford, and The Outsider Test for Faith by Skeptic Ink’s John Loftus.
    • Religion has continued to contract, as the nation’s non-religious demographic hits 20%— third largest single “religious” demographic in the nation. I don’t claim this is a direct result of our outreach, but it’s a sign of good health and positive growth that we should be delighted about.

    Not only has the sky not fallen, but things have, overall,  never been better.

    The “new atheist” debate which also caused much in-fighting is nearly forgotten and amounted to almost nothing

    Just a few years ago the big divisive issue was “accomodationism” versus “confrontatonalism” aka nice diplomatic atheism versus snarky critical atheism (stated glibly, anyway). It used to be the subject of bitter blog exchanges and hand-wringing over the future of the movement. In fact, the issue passed without any particular resolution. Nice atheists kept on being nice, and mean ones kept mocking theists (and the majority, who can’t be pigeon-holed as either, have kept on doing their activist thing as well).

    Yeah, it was pretty much like this.

    One of the most polarizing figures in that old kerfuffle was “Faitheist” and the “diplomat” camp’s Chris Stedman. Last fall Chris published a book which reportedly painted atheists as mean and bigoted in at least one chapter, unlike kindly and accepting theists that he knew. The book was staunchly criticized by many atheists who were incensed by Chris, as they so often are. It might have re-started all the old fires, but it didn’t. It was a mere flash in the pan. Fast forward two months and it’s not being mentioned anywhere.

    The great big thing that was tearing us apart 3-5 years ago is nearly forgotten today, with no apparent lasting effects. We should be skeptical that the strife of today will be any different. Especially because…

    There is no such thing as the “secular community”

    When talking about the in-fighting, people often use the term “secular community”. I am sure I have used it a few times as well. In both cases, I believe that it is shorthand for “people who are part of a local or internet secular group, or who keep informed about secularism through them, or through internet/media channels”. We tend to think of the internet as a great series of tubes that connects everything to everything. In reality, though, social groups are clumpy, including those housed on the internet. I have come to notice that there are at least several distinct spheres where secularists concentrate. Each of these spheres has its own subculture and set of people. There is overlap among the people, but it is highly limited. People that are “famous” in one sphere are very often totally unknown in the others. Here are a few that I know of:

    • YouTube atheists. Here I am thinking of ZOMGitscriss, Thunderf00t, and others. I can’t name many because I am not part of the sphere. In fact, I only learned of those two in the last year or two.
    • The blogosphere. Even the blogosphere is not a coherent sphere, but a set of smaller spheres that partially overlap. There are readers at Patheos who have no idea what Skeptic Ink is and vice versa (though not as many!). The cultural division between YouTube and the blogosphere has come into sharp relief, as several very successful YouTube personalities tried to cross-over into blogging. This has generally failed, sometimes spectacularly (see the two YouTubers above). I suspect the gap is difficult to brook because the cultures are so different.
    • Secular students. I used to be a secular student leader. One thing I learned, having left it, is that it has its own culture which is insular and campus-focused. I suppose that that is normal for student groups of any kind.
    • Reddit atheists. As a redditor I have seen highly controversial blogosphere, Youtube, and secular student sphere-specific links posted only to be ignored again and again. Often they’d be  met with comments along the lines of “uh who is..?” Again, there is overlap, but not too much.
    • Community groups & adult activists. Some members of these certainly follow blogs or YouTubers, but many are also unaware of them. Local community activism does not require or necessarily benefit from blog, YouTube or reddit channels and often functions perfectly well in absence of any or all of it.
    • Atheists who don’t live in the US/UK. Particularly the non-english atheist world.

    There are probably more spheres that I am leaving out here. The thing is, most of the in-fighting issues and the people they pertain to? Yeah most atheists out there have never heard of either. You might have gotten a million views on your YouTube video, but there’s about a billion other atheists who have no clue who you are. Most atheists don’t know what Freethought Blogs is.

    What always matters
    Any given controversy might be important and have lasting consequences. Here’s what always matters: the good work. The positive output. Building a positive and inclusive community, raising funds for those who need it, fighting nasty dehumanizing legislation, spreading ideas that enrich the lives they touch. You will never go wrong focusing on those, you will never be wasting your time. There’s no such thing as the “secular community”. But there is such a thing as your secular community. So relax, and enjoy your [secular] life.

    Category: secularism

  • Article by: Edward Clint

    Ed Clint is an evolutionary psychologist, co-founder of Skeptic Ink, and USAF veteran.
    • Nice round-up Ed! I agree. I previously said much the same thing, but I like your touch better. Thanks also for recommending my book.

    • It’s not really about FTB, though, is it? The problem is a deep and old one between truly liberal and skeptical liberal skeptics, and certain dogmatic movements which form a small but influential subset of the intellectual left. The number of people who read FTB may be small, but the number who believe that “rape is not about sex” is not.

    • Sadly, Ed, a rather shallow analysis. It’s like saying, “I had the flu once. Lasted a few days. I’m over it, no big deal,” while glossing over the great effort your body’s immune system put toward fighting it off, and the fact that if it hadn’t, you wouldn’t have recovered.

      BTW, the important names in the gnu/accommo thing are Chris *Mooney* and ‘Tom Johnson’. Stedman was merely a blip at the tail end of the event.

      • I didn’t mean to gloss over anything. What good people do to defend reasonable positions is always important. That just isn’t what this particular writing is about. If you’ve successfully fought off the flu and other infections, you probably have a good immune system and your general health prognosis is pretty good, which is exactly what I am saying here.

        I also think a reasonable case can be made that this in-fighting is worse than before. However, that is not the case I see being made in commentaries and responses. I am not strongly making claims so much as I am urging consideration of the larger picture and of history. I am trying to advise healthy skepticism.

    • The sky may not be falling, yet. If the current battles were just between atheists about strategy, then there would be little danger, however what we are witnessing is an attempt to coopt atheist groups into an existing ideological war. Your average atheist may not notice, but the perception of atheists by the wider public may be compromised. After all, the message of ‘atheist misogyny’ is disseminated to the mainstream media at any opportunity.

      It’s also rather irritating to have to repeatedly disown the dogmatic ideologues and fire and brimstone atheists when debating theists nowadays.

      • Clare45

        I worry about the perception of atheists by the wider public as well. The mainstream media are quick to pick up on the controversies. Hopefully the gender feminist zealots, who put their agenda ahead of the atheist one at their own admission, will continue to either boycott or be boycotted from the larger skeptic and atheist conferences. Let the feminist organisations fight this one out by themselves.

    • DoctorDJ

      On the one hand we’ve got “Boo-Hoo-Hoo. She wore a T-shirt I didn’t like.”

      On the other, “Hey, she’s got a *&^%… Let’s *&^% her.”

      When are the adults in this community going to reassert themselves and quash this childish behavior? Grow up, people!

      • “On the other, ‘Hey, she’s got a *&^%… Let’s *&^% her.’ ” Really! Who is saying that? That is the standard accusation made against the ‘faction’ in opposition to the gender ideologues and it is usually an obvious lie used to squash criticism. I’ve followed this battle from it’s inception and I have seen very little of that nature other than from random trolls. This is one of the aspects of this spat that I find so distasteful, that propaganda like this is being accepted by those not familiar with the facts. The misrepresentation has reached the point where young women in science are actually being discouraged from blogging by these lies.

    • IDoubtIt00

      The skeptic’s sky isn’t falling either. http://idoubtit.wordpress.com/2013/03/30/the-skeptics-sky-isnt-falling-either/

      Thanks for this, Ed.

      • Hi Sharon. I agree 100%, that the same goes for the skeptic movement. Thanks for writing it.

    • Astrokid NJ

      Howz that secular sky looking this evening Ed? LOL

      • Looks just fine to me.

        • Astrokid NJ

          well.. I know you are a cool customer (based on that highly impressive interview Oklahoma Atheists did with you), and not one to be perturbed.
          But given the ‘Open letter to the Secular community’ issued today (you saw that, didnt you?).. and the expected rejection by the usual suspects.. we are in for some more fun times.
          I know you are focused on the big picture and the multiple minimally overlapping spheres.. but there’s a really great lesson in humility and human nature in this 2+yr saga, at least for less experienced folks like me. A lesson that has made me question my values.. and even change direction. I will comment in detail sometime soon.

          • What I see is many leaders coming together and agreeing on humanistic, sensible guidelines. I find that very heartening. I would like to see more along these lines. Not just because I like the message, but because it’s a sign of a maturing movement, the realization of the need for stronger internal norms.

            The dissenters have accomplished little more than to identify which groups and people are unwilling to be part of a movement which internalizes humanistic values. Although that may cause turbulence for a while, I have a hard time seeing the downside there.

            Take your ball and go home if you like. The rest of us will keep playing.