• Dear Oklahoma: Satanists don’t actually believe in Satan

    In case you didn’t know, I live in Oklahoma. While I greatly love my state and it’s people (despite how I tend to feel about a number of our elected officials and the occasional derp), the religious fundamentalism that runs rampant is quite trying at times. A case in point is the fact that, as of November 2012, a six foot tall monument of the Ten Commandments has been in place on the state capitol grounds. Never mind that it’s an obvious violation of church-state separation (a cornerstone to a free republic), or even that it had several embarrassing misspellings when it was first erected, or that (despite what many, including the funder of the monument like to claim) this country was not founded to be a Christian nation. The erection of this monument is such a giant mistake that not only do the ACLU, odd Oklahomans, and atheists think it’s a bad idea, but even a Baptist minister does. And, it’s now coming back around to bite State Representative Mike Ritze (who sponsored the bill allowing the Ten Commandments to be placed and whose family paid for it) and company in the ass.

    As you’ve probably read from numerous other sources, the Satanic Temple has applied to place a monument on the state capitol grounds to “complement” the already existing Ten Commandments monument. And they’ve even got it funded already, to the tune of over $25,000. This is the same group that performed a “Pink Mass” to protest the Westboro Baptist Church. If you’ve not seen the design yet, it’s really a quite interesting piece of statuary:


    The central, seated figure there is a representation of Baphomet. For those not familiar with the name and image (after all, it’s certainly not the pitchfork, cloven hooved Devil that most would think of when they hear the term “Satanist”), I’m not too surprised. Apparently the first time it was used was almost 1,000 years ago as a corruption of the term Mahomet. Mahomet is the Latinized version of Muhammed, the prophet of Islam, and the term was from a letter by a crusader describing a battle with Muslims. The more modern usage dates only to the past 150 years, in particular the below image by one Eliphas Levi. More recently, the Church of Satan adopted it (seemingly after Aliester Crowley’s obsession with the figure) as a major symbol in it’s rituals. It is traditionally viewed in the CoS as a symbol of Satan in their particular church, and so is synonymous with “the Devil” as most people would think of him.

    As a fun fact, Baphomet is also a comic book character, featured in a few Marvel Comic tales, mostly as a villain battling the oddly named hero Son of Satan. Why, he’s even a central character in one of those ever fun, never in any way factually accurate Chick Tracts!

    “So,” you might be saying to yourself, “the Satanists worship this idol, eh? It’s how they represent Satan, right?”

    Well, no and yes.

    To understand why they wouldn’t worship it but why it does represent Satan, you need to understand that most Satanists don’t worship Satan. It’s not like Christians who worship the Christ, or Muslims who venerate Muhammed, or Buddhists who try to emulate Buddha. See, most Satanists aren’t theistic. That’s right, most Satanists are actually atheists*. This is particularly true for those following the teachings of Anton LaVey, who founded the Church of Satan in 1966, and offshoots of that movement. In fact, the official CoS website even includes this gem of a phrase:

    Satanists do not believe in God, Satan, Heaven, or Hell.

    You don’t get much clearer than that, do you? This type of atheistic Satanism includes The Satanic Temple (the one raising money for the Oklahoma monument), which is a “non-supernatural religion” that uses the symbolism and metaphor of the literary Satan of Milton, France, and Twain. They are extraordinarily clear about this on the front page of their website, where they say:

    Satan stands as the ultimate icon for the selfless revolt against tyranny, free & rational inquiry, and the responsible pursuit of happiness….Belief must reconstruct itself to fact, never the other way round. This is the Luciferian impulse to eat of the Tree of Knowledge, even (and especially) when to do so irretrievably dissipates blissful and comforting delusions of old.

    They also have seven central tenets that members attempt to follow:

    1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.
    2. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
    3. One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
    4. The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forego your own.
    5. Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs.
    6. People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.
    7. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

    Wow, what a terrible sounding bunch of folks, right? Here’s a bunch of atheists, emphasizing rationality and reason, being nice to others, social justice, owning up to mistakes we make…what a bunch of assholes, eh? Why, reading those things make it seem like they might almost be a bunch of filthy humanists!

    So why would a bunch of atheistic humanists want to put up a statue of a big goat-headed dude in a chair? Well, the spokesperson for The Satanic Temple, Lucien Greaves (which is definitely a better name for the role than Doug Mesner – his legal name), had this to say to the LA Times,

    More than anything, we feel our monument is meant to be a historical marker celebrating the scapegoats, marginalized and demonized minority….We have this rejection of arbitrary authority and respect for personal sovereignty. It doesn’t matter if you are doing good in the name of Satan or the name of Jesus Christ, as long as you are doing good.

    So, this type of image (Baphomet) is being used as an easily recognizable symbol of “Satanism” to stand in contrast to the easily recognizable symbol of the Ten Commandments. In effect, this is to protest the lack of church-state separation that the Ten Commandments monument embodies. What it’s not for is to say “Hey, we sacrifice babies and drink blood! We think there is a real supernatural anti-God out there and we worship him!”

    I also think it is specifically for something else. What? In my opinion, trolling. That’s right, The Satanic Temple is real-life trolling the Oklahoma legislature. Epically trolling them, in my opinion. And hundreds of people are helping by donating money, writing articles all over the world about, and giving this a huge amount of attention. The below image (which I ‘shopped from here) sums up this whole shebang for me. Well played, Satanists. Well played.

    satan actually

    Not everyone is jazzed about the monument or the trolling it represents. Obviously, many Oklahomans are upset by this (mainly because they seem to think these folks are “real” (and by real, I mean the actually not-real, baby-killing, Devil-loving) Satanists. The ACLU is upset because it doesn’t think any monuments with religious themes should be allowed. And the original Church of Satan has disavowed any public monuments to Satanism, and even called the design of this particular one “crudely designed.”

    I tell you, you just can’t please anyone nowadays.


    * There are a small number of folks who would seem to practice theistic Satanism (meaning that they think there is a supernatural, cast out of Heaven, fallen angel and they worship him rather than the Yahweh of Christianity), but they are so small in number as to be almost non-existent. They certainly are not the massive, organized group that the “Satanic Panic” of the mid 1970s and 1980s. In fact, all of the accusations of organized Satanic cults (or abuse) were  made up, either purposefully or due to false memories.

    Category: ConspiracyPoliticsReligionSecularismSkepticism


    Article by: Caleb Lack

    Caleb Lack is the author of "Great Plains Skeptic" on SIN, as well as a clinical psychologist, professor, and researcher. His website contains many more exciting details, visit it at www.caleblack.com

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    • transcendentape

      Well, it appears I’m a satanist… the more you know…

      Also, I think there’s a typo in your last sentence, “In fact, none of the accusations of organized Satanic cults (or abuse) were all made up, either purposefully or due to false memories.”

    • Matt Korstjens

      Shit. I just realized I’ve been a Satanist all along.

      • Right? I’m reading the tenets of them, thinking “Shit, that’s not too shabby a system you got there.”

    • Shatterface

      Satanists do not believe in God, Satan, Heaven, or Hell

      Would I still get to deflower a goat though? For me, that’s a deal breaker.

      • Nope, just a dude in a goat mask. Sorry, PETA is really cracking down.

        • TheTundraTerror

          Also, it’s only a paper mask. This economy is really hitting everyone hard.

        • fllwyrrlgin

          PETA is infringing on my religious rights! Damn them. Damn them all. I want my goats. 😛

          • Well, I’m sure if they are “deeply held” then we can get a waiver!

            • fllwyrrlgin

              Yay. Goats….here I come. Heheheh.

      • Claso

        You couldn’t be more wrong. What you fail to realize is their is more than one type of Satanism. You have the subhuman Laveyan form of Satanism which are basically atheism and then you have theistic Satanists who are people like Alister Crowley and they do believe in Satan, perform summonings and practicing black magic rituals.

        • As I said at the end of this post:

          “There are a small number of folks who would seem to practice theistic Satanism (meaning that they think there is a supernatural, cast out of Heaven, fallen angel and they worship him rather than the Yahweh of Christianity), but they are so small in number as to be almost non-existent. They certainly are not the massive, organized group that the “Satanic Panic” of the mid 1970s and 1980s. In fact, all of the accusations of organized Satanic cults (or abuse) were made up, either purposefully or due to false memories.”

          An example is a group here in home state, actually, as my friend Damion writes about – https://www.skepticink.com/backgroundprobability/2015/04/23/an-quick-and-dirty-field-guide-to-satanic-diversity/

          However, the “organized” Satanists are not “devil worshippers.”

        • V Ruth Mikael


      • V Ruth Mikael

        Acording to whom? Lavey? You are a Laverian, Not a Luciferian. Even Lavey in his last days begged this Christ-End god for mercy. This shows, in all he has writen, he never had any type like convictions. Lucifer does not dress his boys in black, request for painted finger nails and sit around and play magic. Luciferians do not haunt woman and children, in fact we protect the weak and exploit the strong. I assure you, If Anton had any asociation with this light. Remember darkness will only show its self in the Light. If he had any association, I would of celebrated those last moments. You see, if being a Satanist is this image of soul selling, cursing to thers and the likes, you are right, He does not excist. I AM Here, simply lovers of our Universe and all the pleasure are earth has to offer. Europe, Americas, Africa, Australia, all these Nations have been directed from the hands of my Father. All Great Nations. Show your gratitude or in these last moments, be angry, say all you may say yet in these last moments, you will be Casted onto Fire.


      • Briya Eirian

        Not only would that be illegal in the United States, that is one of Father’s Sacred Animals. So, yeah, bad idea, I’m pretty sure.

    • Shatterface

      Oh, I so wish they’d just done a monument with the words ‘To do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law’ on it.

      That’s the real antithesis of the Commandments, rather than an effigy.

      • If it was the CoS, they might do that. The Satanic Temple seem a bit more mischievious.

    • bismarket 1

      That’s a good looking statue & personally i’d love to see it. Not keen on it being on Gov’ land though same as the Xian abomination. Why was i not surprised to learn there were spelling mistakes on the original 10 commandments monuments?

    • Great article.

    • You know, I’m not confident that the Christians supporting the monument really believe in the 10 Commandments any more than the Satanists believe in goat-headed deities. Take, for example, the strict prohibition of graven images.

      • Also the fact that most of the people who fully supported the monument being placed couldn’t name all 10 if their life depended on it.

        • A pastor friend of mine would say that reducing holy writ to a movie prop and then claiming it’s only ceremonial deism, rather than true religious devotion, it a fairly blatant example of using the name of The Lord most profanely. So that’s at least two commandments broken here. Wonder if the Tulsa monument company contracted to built this monstrosity works on Saturdays.

    • Great article, Prof! I learnt some shit, and stuff.

    • Andrew Jameson

      Can you please change some of your “it’s” to “its”? You should be using “its” in the first and seventh occurrences of “it’s”.

      • Harold Gregory

        Does it matter?

    • rob

      dont know about the final statement saying “ALL” made up is a bit of a sweeping statement i can imagine people have been through alot, and the small number of theistic satanists may have played a role in cults and abuse, far to sweeping to rule it “ALL” out.

      • It is a pretty bold statement, rob, but there is no physical evidence of any “Satanic cults” or the abuse they purportedly perpetrated. This was summed up nicely 20 years ago in a FBI report (http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/lanning.htm) and there’s nothing since then to suggest anything has changed.

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    • Alyssa

      I have been doing some research on this and I have realised how similar its ideals are to my own, if not identical. Then why is the satanic bible banned in school libraries? Why is satanism frowned upon among adolescents like myself, when actually, it provides more use and guidance than any other religion could.

    • Christian

      Greece has on it’s flag the Christian cross. We in the US have on our “Star-Spangled Banner” stars. Do you know why? Because we are men of Satan. Astrophysics is a science, and when so liers speak about “reason” and “telescope data” they mean Satan, because all telescopes reveal not “data” but false Satanic pictures. Stars are some fires that God created, and black holes, big bang and “theory of numbers” is a game theory of Satanism. God never mentioned a chromodynamic probabilistic explosion of true nothingness [not simply empty space].

      Satanists [scientists] claim that nothingness is equal mathematically to canceling wave contribution, and the fact that nothingness never existed or will exist is answerede via probabilistic diffusion-infinite virtual beholding spots that create a probabilistic chart of each chromodynamic oscillation. And we use the term chromodynamic oscillation, because Big Bang started not from an old singularity-there are no singularities [a black hole is a simple particle withouth inner structure, only chromodynamic oscillations but not a singularity because that cannot exist because it cancels probabilities and Heisenberg Uncertainty].

      Well God never mentioned about chromodynamics. It is a Satanic delusion.

      Also many Buddhist [=Satanists] claim that Christians are children, not adults,
      because the Christian system is based on orders and eternal life deals,
      when Buddhism is about self-awareness and becoming a Buddha.
      Buddha is not a God, but any self-aware person could posibly be.
      A Buddhist is not kind in the eyes of God, and not even kindness is the
      first goal, but self coontrol, and you control the self via visceral morals, not external myths.

      That is PURE EVIL.
      That cancels the Christian dogma.

      Buddhists teach the exact word of SATAN himself!!!

      That’s why China has so many communists.
      Satan is not a wise guide!

      The “self-awareness” delusion is simply egotistical Satanism.

      • Austin Moore

        Haldol man. It will make everything become clear again.

      • Briya Eirian

        I disagree, personally. It wasn’t your big man upstairs that my boyfriend got help from. He had turned to your god several times, praying fro some sort of help with his mental issues.
        He never delivered.
        Then, he turned to Father Satan. Not only did he get guidance from Father and other Elder Gods, he wouldn’t have known he could have trusted me if he had stayed Christian.
        Just saying my point of view, we can agree to disagree.

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    • V Ruth Mikael

      This title state that Satanist dont actually believe in Satan. Wrong, Lavey has his little thing. What ever this thing was, he is not a Satanist, his group of this church of satan, Satanic Temple, these men and woman are not Satanist. They are Patanist. These are worse than even the CVhrist-ends.

      • There are no organized “Satanists,” as such. As I said at the bottom of the article:

        “There are a small number of folks who would seem to practice theistic Satanism (meaning that they think there is a supernatural, cast out of Heaven, fallen angel and they worship him rather than the Yahweh of Christianity), but they are so small in number as to be almost non-existent. They certainly are not the massive, organized group that the “Satanic Panic” of the mid 1970s and 1980s. In fact, all of the accusations of organized Satanic cults (or abuse) were made up, either purposefully or due to false memories.”

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    • Briya Eirian

      Call me out or shoot me down, I don’t care. However, I can say that this is only halfway true.
      La Veyan Satanism views Satan as an Ideal, similar to Moksha or Nirvana. They’re the ones who don’t worship Father.
      Theistic Satanism, which is the first religion, might I add, and is also the religion I plan on following, does in fact view Father Satan as the creator of our world. I also, and I cannot stress this enough, can say that we have more sound and civil rules than Christianity, and let me explain (Sorry if this pissed you off, Professor, but this is my opinion, and we can agree to disagree.):

      Rule Nine of Eleven states, quite firmly: Do not harm small children
      This means that, no, we do not sacrifice children, and, with the following rule:
      Rule Ten: Do not kill non-human animals unless they have attacked you, or if they are food.
      And, in Rule Five, it states the following:
      Do not make sexual advances unless given a signal to do so.
      Might I add onto that, minor rape falls under both Rule Five and Rule Nine.
      In Christianity, however! Ooooooh, jeez, don’t get me started on the messed up flaws:

      The Bible didn’t exactly say it was okay to rape, but it did say that both the rapist and victim be stoned to death. It wasn’t even the victim’s fault, and they were punished for it!
      Also, in Numbers 31:32, it states this:
      These were the spoils which remained of the plunder taken by the fighting men: 675,000 sheep, 72,000 cattle, 61,000 donkeys, and as for persons, 32,000 young women who had had no intercourse with a man.
      Virgin women were a prize. A FUCKING PRIZE!
      Genesis 16:8
      And he said “Hagar, Sarai’s slave girl, where have you come from and where are you going?” She answered, “I’m running away from Sarai, my mistress.” The angel of the Lord said to her, “Go back to your mistress and submit to ill treatment at her hands.”
      Your goddamn Lord, your false god, tells the slave girl to continue living miserably, instead of carving her own path and making a life for herself. Does this damn book not sound sexist, just from two verses?
      And I grew up Christian, hell, my mom is a reverend, and a well known one in her hometown, might I add! Of cuorse, she grew up in a retirement town, so when she became a reverend, they all wanted my mom to do their funerals, since they had watched her grow up.
      I was forced into the fucked up, majority rules, brain-mush religion we call “Christianity”

      It’s time to take a stand.

      Edit: Aaand it wasn’t until I posted this comment that I found out that this article/thread was five years old. Whoops!
      Oh well, just putting myself here I guess!