• A Brief History & Scientific Look at Dream Analysis & Interpretation

    This post is part of a series of guest posts on GPS by the undergraduate and graduate students in my Science vs. Pseudoscience course. As part of their work for the course, each student had to demonstrate mastery of the skill of “Educating the Public about Pseudoscience.” To that end, each student has to prepare two 1,000ish word posts on a particular pseudoscience topic, as well as run a booth on-campus to help reach people physically about the topic.

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    A Brief History & Scientific Look at Dream Analysis & Interpretation by Evelyn Stratmoen

    Dream analysis, also referred to as dream interpretation, hinges on the idea that you can attach meaning to your dreams. This process has been used in a wide variety of settings, including ancient civilizations, a variety of religions, including Christianity, and can be noted to today by going to a bookstore and picking up a book that will help you interpret your own dreams.

    Ancient civilizations viewed dreaming as a means of communication. Some of these civilizations include the Babylonians and the Egyptians. Ancient Egyptians revered the interpretation of dreams, seeing them as a means of foretelling the future, curing sickness, and communicating with the gods. These civilizations even had a god or goddess of dreams along with some type of literature that aided in the interpreting of dreams. This type of communication was looked at as being supernatural or an intervention of a divine nature. Therefore, only people with supernatural powers could interpret the dream.

    Dreams are an integral part of the Christian faith. In fact, the Bible mentions that Joseph was known as a dream interpreter. Dreams were also called visions. There are several stories recited in the Bible (examples include Pharaoh’s dream in Genesis 41 and Paul’s visions in Acts) in the New Testament. There are several scriptures that discuss dreams, including Joel2:28 which states “ … your sons and daughters shall prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, and your young men  shall see visions”. There’s even a skeptical side to scripture in regards to dream interpretation, (Zech10:2 “the dreamers tell false dreams, and give empty consolation”). These scriptures provide insight into the idea that dreams are an integral part of divine communication in this particular faith.

    Dream interpretation abounds in other cultures as well. Traditional Chinese medicine has its own book of dream interpretations, titled Lofty Principles of Dream Interpretation. During the Dark Ages, dreams were interpreted as the soul traveling through the night, and that they were from the devil. Even in our current culture, dreams are regarded as symbolic and important. We view them as having a deeper meaning, able to divulge deep secrets of soul, tell us what our underlying issues are and what we are unconsciously struggling with.  In the early 17th century, a physician, Sir Thomas Brown, wrote about how to interpret dreams. In the 19th century, Sigmund Freud, as a component of his theory of psychoanalysis, wrote the book The Interpretation of Dreams.

    According to Freud, dreams are a way to look into our soul, to unlock our unconscious. Our unconscious holds childhood wishes and desires that are deemed undesirable. Dreams are a way for us to fulfill these unconscious desires and wishes. Much of our struggle as humans is between these forbidden desires and trying to repress them. Freud felt that through the analysis of dreams, we could discover the root cause of our problems, through analyzing the symbols and feelings that we experienced during the dreams.

    Dreams are instigated by what he called day residue. Day residue is comprised of leftover remnants of the events that occurred the day before. It includes the undesirable thoughts, wishes and desires that we struggle with. These wishes and desires are distorted, causing confusion as to what the dream is representing. Hence dream interpretation. Various things keep us from remembering our latent desires, repressing them into our unconscious. It is through dreaming that the desires are brought back to the surface. Therefore, dreams act as a “fulfillment” of these repressed desires.

    Maybe a little simplistic, but pretty damned funny.

    The scientific definition of dreams is the mental activity containing thoughts, emotions, and images that occur while a person is asleep. This is normally in conjunction with rapid eye movement (REM). Dreams that occur during REM-sleep normally involve aggressive emotions while dreams that occur during non-REM (NREM) sleep normally involve friendly emotions.

    Therefore, dreams are a result of the electrical energy. This energy stimulates stored memories in various regions of the brain. Scientists have yet to determine why the brain does stimulate memories during the dreaming process, but there are various hypotheses. Hypotheses that state paranormal or supernatural phenomenon as possible explanations are not taken as seriously as the ones that use biological and emotional processes of brain activity.

    Some of the scientific hypotheses that attempt to explain dreams state that dreaming is a method by which the brain is attempting to disconnect the cortex from any additional sensory input. This would allow the cortex to rest. These hypotheses can also explain the lack of critical thinking skills and poor decisions that people make when they do not get the right amount of sleep.

    Another scientific hypothesis indicates that dreaming is a method of memory encoding, particularly emotional memories. This is based on the evidence that the amygdala is active during the dreaming process. The amygdala has been shown to be a key component in the formation of memories during emotional experiences.

    One claim of dream interpretation is that they can be prophetic of nature. However, these dreams may be explained coincidence or even out-and-out lying. But since we fall victim to methods of illogical thinking and lack of understanding, we fall prey to these interpretations. Such concepts such as the Law of Large Numbers and Confirmation Bias are enough to see how one can be duped by dream interpretation.

    There has even been research done on dreams and false memories.  One such study, called the Florence False Interpretation Study, indicate that dream interpretations can have harmful and unintended side effects, such as creating false memories in people. These false memories can include experiencing a traumatic event as a child, when the event did not actually occur. Other false memories were being bullied as a child when this in fact did not occur.

    Today’s skeptic considers dream interpretation to be a false science, especially with today’s evidence indicating that dream interpretation is false. Even so, though they are armed with science and data on their side, there are still people out there who believe in this pseudoscience.

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    • James Atkison

      Excellent point about it still being popular today. Many clients believe their dreams have meaning so as a clinician how does or should one interpret the client’s “crazy dream.” Even allowing the client to interpret their own dream seems like it is continuing to foster the believe that dream mean something. You have brought up a great discussion, Evelyn.

    • Shatterface

      Dream interpretation is a pseudoscience but unfortunately much film theory is rooted in the notion that film is analogous to a dream and can therefore be interpreted in the same way.

      I have dozens of psychology books and Freud and Jung are rarely referenced except as historical footnotes; on the other hand almost all film theory books reference Freud, Jung, Lacan, Metz, Zizek, et. al like they’re cutting edge theorists.

      • Being in an academic environment, I cross paths frequently with the English professors. I always ask “Why in the world did you all adopt the people who we’ve shown were wrong about their theories?” I often don’t get satisfactory answers.

        But, since those aren’t exactly evidence-based, scientific fields, I suppose they can have them if they want them!

        • Shatterface

          There are cognitive approaches to film theory but because psychoanalytical theories are often tied to political movements like Marxism or feminism those who reject psychoanalysisare often branded as reactionary or anti-feminist. The irony is. of course, that psychoanalysis is politically reactionary as well as pseudoscientific. Commiting yourself to a political cause shouldn’t entail committing yourself to steam aged nonsense.

        • Smenotti

          What types of answers do you get? I cannot imagine any answer at all to that question that would be even remotely legitimate…

    • psychodawn93

      Dreams are obviously coming from our memories that have been stored but what they mean or being able to interpret them is another story. It was interesting to read all of the scientific hypotheses on what dreams mean or what is occurring in the brain as we dream. Even though none of the proposed hypotheses have been scientifically proven yet, it is pretty clear that it serves some purpose or our minds would not go through the process at all. It is also pretty clear that if you look at the evidence and consider the alternatives critically that there is nothing prophetic about your dreams. The theory about it being a means of memory encoding seems to make the most sense but it sounds like we don’t really know yet. I don’t think we need to go out and pay someone to have our dreams analyzed or interpreted regardless of what purpose they serve.

    • CathlinaSmith

      I had a therapist one time that was very interested in my dreams. She even had me keep a journal of those dreams. When I was diagnosed with narcolepsy and sleep paralysis I started to realize that my dreams had no real meaning because I was hitting REM sleep within 5 minutes. That is why they were always so violent, not because I was psychotic. Amazing that there are some therapists that still talk about dreams as if they have significant meaning in life. Great post!

    • ahuskey

      Dream interpretation is certainly a popular topic of conversation in my family – among the religious and non-religious. Several of my family members purport having prophetic dreams about future occurrences. And honestly, sometimes they are not far off! It is a very interesting topic anyways. But alas, there is no evidence of it’s literality. But everyone can just believe what they believe, and everyone is right! Right?.. 😉

      • Smenotti

        Well, by all means, let us all believe we will win the jackpot in the lotto!

    • jaymacg

      An old co-worker of mine was pretty fascinated with dreams. In fact, he would write down his dreams in detail as he woke up in the middle of the night to ensure he did not forgot any of the details of the dream and looked at it the next day to try to determine their meaning. I convinced him to bring his notes to work with him one day, and was able to see pretty quickly that the dreams were pretty random. After I told him what I thought, he claimed that they did in fact mean something, and proceeded to distort them until they finally fit into what he thought they meant. I guess people can make themselves believe anything.

      • Smenotti

        Writing down dreams can be a good source of artistic inspiration and a good way to creatively express yourself. I know several poets and musicians that do this regularly in order to have a creative outlet and to keep themselves stimulated and motivated. The important thing to realize here, is that they are by no means claiming that this is a factually based method or that it is in any way a literal interpretation. Dreams are cool, as long as people keep them in their proper place.

    • Smenotti

      I seriously have friends that send me their dreams all the time. It is fun to discuss dreams with people, because it is a unique way of connecting with someone on a different level than we normally would that isn’t so superficial. Believing that specific symbols and images can predict something about the future, or about one’s behavior, or even give some deeply sought-after insight into the unconscious mind, is yet another way in which our society is science deprived. Admittedly, it is fun to speculate on meanings and how a self-analysis of the dream might provide some insight into one’s current state of mind, but that is as far as it can go.

    • timharvey87

      I have such hatred of Freud for wasting so much time on dream analysis. Since the only psychologist most people are aware of is Freud, all psychologists are stuck with his reputation. I am still asked to interpret the dreams of friends and family members. It is sometimes easier just to interpret their dreams for them instead of trying to convince them that dreams are not important, especially when the dream can easily be interpreted for them and you desperately want to move on to other subjects. For example, a woman is trying to get pregnant so she has a dream that she is constantly checking her mailbox for a baby. My interpretation of this is that she is trying to get pregnant and is anxiously waiting for it to happen. Now I hopefully don’t have to talk about it anymore and can focus instead on why my patient is eating paper.

    • Alexa Riffe

      I have always been very curious about dream interpretation. I myself have few but very vivid dreams, and have been very interested in what meaning they have if any? Now that I have gotten older I will say I have grown out of that, as a somewhat phase. However I was aware of the lengthy history that comes with dream interpretation, and because of such, I myself was swayed at one point.

    • Adam Braly

      I can count of four hands the number of times I have been asked if I am studying psychology to read the dreams of other people. Less specifically, there is usually an implication that when I have completed my training, I should more or less be able to do a dream analysis. Oh how I hate these people. I completely agree with you Evelyn that confirmation bias can have a strong impact on the amount of validity that people place in techniques like dream analysis. It’s interesting that we strive to find so much meaning, that we may trick ourselves into believe crazy things.

    • IvyBrown

      Supposedly, during sleep you have a direct link to your unconscious. As the super-ego lies in a weakened state due to the absence of voluntary motor activity, the id has a chance to “come out and play.” According to Freud (and we know he is the all-time, supreme authority on sexual fantasies and dreams), dreams allow the id some gratification for fantasies that it is not allowed to act upon during waking hours. Because the fantasies of the id are something the super-ego tries to hide, the content of our dreams that we remember is encoded to appear as something else. So dreams are our “dirty little secrets” yet everyone wants to have them interpreted and made known to others. Makes sense of course. At least if you buy into the whole dream interpretation business.

    • vivianjingjing

      The analysis of dream interpretation is very similar to projection. You remember and record your contents of dream and then to explain it . How to analyze your own dream? Does it have some real meaning? It depends your own life experiences.

    • shanshan1314

      I ever read the book about dream analysis which Freud wrote. I am really not a fan to Freud’s work. According to him, what people dream is what they desire of, and I dream about my ex-boyfriend but i really do not love him any more. People really like to give a lot of symbols of meaning on different things, what star looks like has a meaning, what the leaf looks like has a meaning, but sometimes they are just random things and has no meaning at all. Like dream, like star, and like leaf.

      • Ken Kaplan

        Freud did not understand dreams. Jung did. That’s why most good dream workers are Jungian or have a background with Jung.

    • JazzySmall

      I don’t think there is a true rhyme or reason to one’s dreams. However, it is easy to see how confusion could occur. I remember when I was younger, and I lost a small red wallet. I had a dream one night that I looked inside of a drawer of my nightstand and found the wallet. The next day, I looked through that drawer and found the wallet. There are two ways to interpret that incident. The first is that I had a prophetic dream about that wallet that led to its discovery. The second is that it was a coincidence, and maybe I had even seen the wallet fall in the drawer and forgot about it, which caused that dream to surface. It’s cooler to believe in clairvoyance than responses to randomness; that is sad to say but true.

    • tinafriar

      Funny graphic! Also, you mentioned how one can go out and buy a book with which one can interpret one’s own dreams. I have never understood how people possibly think that could work. How are you supposed to be objective when making sense of your own dreams? Also you make excellent points about dreams influencing memories and it’s something people should be more aware of.

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    • Ken Kaplan

      You have not one clue as to what you are talking about. It is a typical materialist-reductionist position. I have worked with dreams for over 25 years. No one understands WHY dreams work as they do but sophisticated dream workers know quite a bit about HOW they function, their purpose psychologically, and their importance. They are more precise than an atomic clock, are genius in knowing everything about you, they never lie as to the truth of your inner world, and their ultimate function is to be a healing and integrative device for the person. You work with hundreds and thousands of dreams and see their brilliance, you understand. You know nothing.

      • That’s a ton of assumptions and assertions you are throwing out, Ken. If you’d like to present some evidence to back up your ideas, I’m sure we would all be happy to hear it.

        • Ken Kaplan

          To teach you the intricacies of dream work in a short answer is impossible. You might as well ask me to explain the whole of quantum mechanics in 25 words Let’s say I proclaim one of the most important aspects of understanding dreams is that they are expressions, commentaries and guidance (most of them that stem from the subconscious- ” certain mystical -such as”visitations from deceased loved ones-lucid and precognitive dreams come from a different place) on the _waking life_, that the dream cannot contain symbols and narrative that is not in the waking life, that Jung was correct in that cultural archetypes show up in dreams according to shared cultural ‘currency” and that the dream only changes as the waking life changes. So I will give you two examples of this elementary but absolutely foundational structure of dreams.

          1) I ran into a guy who had a recurring dream. Recurring dreams are important because the subconscious knows the issue at hand is so significant emotionally and mentally that it will not let you alone. The more frequent the recurring dream, the more important the issue and the more insistent the dreaming mind will be. I ran into one woman who had the same recurring dream every night. It had to do with her deep frustration at being blocked by her family (she was from India) from pursuing her desire for the career of her passion in medicine. Women could not be doctors.. So she was in research but hated it.

          Anyway, this guy went to the same college I did (different time.) In the dream, he was always trapped in a labyrinth underground and could not find his way out to the student union where beer, brats ,fire,-(it was a northern mid-western state) and fellowship were available.No exceptions-always the same outcome. The dream was symbolic of how trapped he felt in his first marriage. (Dreams comprise symbol and narrative- Freud was correct in delineating between “manifest content” (all that seems crazy in dreams) and the “latent content” (the very cohesive underlying meaning that one needs to decipher), in the same way one learns a new language. Freud was wrong about most of his theories about dreams, What is ironic is that the “Irma specimen dream” he had that activated his writing _The Interpretation of Dreams_ *precisely* and *explicitly* told Freud where and how he was off but Freud could not grasp the message the dream sent him. Back to the guy. So he divorced his first wife and had a good second marriage. He still had the recurring cream from time to time but this time and _**every time**_ (no exceptions), he would find his way out of the labyrinth and connect to the warmth, fellowship, and nourishment he desired. Dreams are SYMBOLIC. One of thee great mistakes people make is taking them literally and trying to use the mind in a one to one correspondence to interpret them. Therefore we must look at what the student union **symbolized** to him* and how that transferred to events, people, beliefs, feelings,in his waking life, in this case a marriage where he felt nourished, warmth, connection, love.

          2) Let’s go to a tribe in Africa, This shows how universal dream structure is in humans. In the tribe, currency, stature and status is not measured in money but in cattle. The more cattle, the better fed, etc, the more status and wealth you have. However, women are not allowed to own cattle. In the dreams of the tribe, men generally had pleasing dreams of cattle. But women had horrific nightmares of cattle stampeding toward them with bulging red eyes, demon like. Why> Because as Jung said, the “shadow” (unexpressed or dispossessed part of self) will show up as nightmare in a threatening or assaulting posture. Basically it is alerting the conscious mind as to this dispossession and is seeking re-integration. That’s why the guy in example one had that particular recurring dream.. In the women’s case, their power had been disowned by the culture of the tribe. Their anger and feelings of powerlessness showed itself in the most prominent symbol collectively shared by the group that represented power, but in shadow form. Their minds had to draw upon what they knew from their daily life. Most Westerners would never have that type of dream symbol used in that way. We would draw upon symbols collectively shared by our culture.

          Thus a very common dream (the examination dream -go to You Tube and watch the beginning of Risky Business with Tom Cruise) takes many forms and in the West we will use our own common symbols, late for an exam, lost in a city, can’t catch the train, where is the car?,etc) I have been a professional storyteller and this form of a dream for me is I am at a gig and I can’t remember the stories. This type of dream will almost always appear when one feels out of control or a sense of powerlessness in life *at that moment*. We must remember dreams are **existential** (in the moment) but if you track your dreams enough you will see the arc of your core issues dealt with again and again from different angles, as the core purpose of the dreaming mind is to help heal and integrate. That’s why Jung called the last stage of the dream (its ending) as “lysis” or “resolution”. It is usually here that the dream delivers its message on the problem at hand. It did so _very_ forcefully for Freud (a formula appeared in bold) but he didn’t get it. If he did, the entire history of psychology would have changed. But he was not advanced enough in his understanding.

          Here’s a dare. If you remember your dreams, post one WITH the events (in detail) of what is happening simultaneously in your waking life and I will begin to outline it for you. If you don’t remember your dreams, find a friend you trust who does. It can’t be done at once and is best done over the phone. But I can get close enough to show you how it all lines up.

          I do not “interpret ” dreams. I don’t *tell* you what they are about, because it is your dream. I *facilitate* with interpretive skills your journey into the dream, and together we unlock its meaning A person once asked me had I ever been wrong about a dream and I said no. I get this from the “aha” a person has. Jaws usually drop, I mean DROP at what people get when we work on dreams. The core meaning any good dream worker should get, like a main theme in a musical piece, but various dream workers will pick up different variations or “minor” elements. There is a misconception that a dream can have multiple meanings depending om who does the “interpreting”. This is wrong. The dream has one core meaning, and all good dream workers should get to that same core place.

          You might say this is all subjective. But so is falling in love.One can say it’s all a neurological response, but is it really? Is that *ALL* it is? Is producing a great piece of art or music just a bunch of neurons crashing into one another? Are we that presumptuous that we think we have this vast phenomenon called life and the dimensions of the self figured out?. If one (or many) review thousands of dreams over decades and decades, a consensus starts to arise. Most good dream analysts are Jungians to some extent or familiar with Jung because he was so on the right track in his foundation.

          In any field you are going to get really good people with great expertise and hacks, and all in between. The feed back I have gotten over 25 years is I am with the former. I have taken a lot of time with you. I would prefer no ad hominem attacks, no argument from assertion and no straw man arguments.

          I have shown just a glimpse of a very large territory. I have a proposal on the table for the next step. Are you willing? You have staked out a very large claim. I have countered it.

          • I’m afraid that you just gave me anecdotal stories, not empirical evidence. Scientists have done large amounts of research on dreams over the past few decades, and what we actually know about dreams and memory really contradicts the whole idea of dream analysis and especially Jungian ideas.

            And before you say it, no, scientists don’t claim to have “figured out” dreams – but nothing is pointing to the fact that they hold any deep meaning.

            • Ken Kaplan

              I saw a Nova special on their dream “research”. It was garbage. What have you actually studied of dream work and who did you look at?Jung was one of the first. Do you think there haven’t been others in over 100 years? I gave you small anecdotal evidence because I can’t fit 50,000 dreams in one column. You ask for “empirical evidence”. This is the classic materialist approach, same as the atheist “prove God to me in a test tube”. If I work with 1000-2000 dreams (which I have) and they all line up perfectly time after time, how does one provide “empirical evidence”.

              This is the same argument that is used with almost any metaphysical issue that can’t be “measured” by today’s technology. One says “mediums can’t be real”. Then one goes to a good one and they know everything without having met you or known anything about you and it’s not a cold reading because a true medium does all the validating with **no conversation** with the client and it can be done by phone, so no clues can be picked up.

              I gave you a challenge so you could test it for yourself. Apparently you do not have the courage to take me up on it. I’m the one putting things on the line. That’s because you are wedded to your scientific rationalism. But if you want to persist, fine, it’s your life.

              I’ll leave you with one more dream and I could give a damn about what materialist scientists think (and I love science-don’t get me wrong). Dreams can be incubated, in other words you can ask the dreaming mind for specific guidance, even to clarify another dream, which I have successfully done.

              I was struggling about 12 years ago making a transition from working with children to working with adults. Some very pressing early family of origin issues were present. So one night I asked my dreams”what’s behind all of this”. Although I knew the ball park.

              I had a five second fragment that went to the heart of the matter. It was just after the 2006 Democratic Party wave election. In the dream, Claire Mccaskill of Missouri died in the arms of her opponent. One of the rules of dreams is everything in the dream is you, The subconscious uses symbols to express the fullness of the interior self. Although many early dream workers knew this, it was heightened by the work of Fritz Perls, the father of Gestalt psychology. I have used this gestalt technique to great success and often I have no idea what might come out.

              Since Claire Mccaskill was not dead in waking life, obviously the dream did not relate to her literally. Calvin Hall did research on 50,000 dreams from ALL cultures and one of the most important things he found out was EVERYBODY only dreamt about themselves, except for rare circumstances (such as precognitive dreams, their beliefs and orientation to life and life events.

              So if Mccaskill is not “her”, who is she in the dream? If we follow the dream gestalt theory, she must represent a part of me. What part would that be and how would that part fit into the full narrative, as short as it was?

              So I used two techniques. One was the gestalt, the other the “dream interview” developed by the truly great Gayle Delaney. where you describe things as if you are a totally dispassionate visitor who does not know what a thing or person is, then you bridge it to the waking life. Remember, dreams are SYMBOLiC and METAPHORICAL. Look beyond the literal.

              So the first thing is she is a US Senator. What is the US Senate? (Remember I am following a certain specific technique-also dreams will tend to follow the orientation of the individual and use symbols that they are usually familiar with) The US Senate is a prominent *national* political arena. It’s stature and energy is at a high level, much greater than let’s say the usual state legislator or the usual member of Congress.(I’m not talking about the majority leader, etc) but not as great usually as the President or a high ranking cabinet member.

              So let’s bridge that *symbolicallyt o my life.The Senate (and a Senator) represents expanded power, energy and influence in my life’s sphere. (Not President but some levels above where I was) I have had a pretty strong regional influence working as a storyteller for children, a trainer for the state of Pa in Early Childhood, and a presenter on spiritual topics, but I have not reached anywhere near my full potential, although now I am farther along and this was about 12 years ago when transitioning to working with adults more intently outside of Early Childhood was hard for me.

              So I asked the “Mccaskill part of me” (You feel the energy and info of the symbol) why she had died.”She” said I died of fear.” OK. Who was her opponent? In the dream she *dies in his arms* so he is essential to complete the narrative. Do you remember? Look it up. His name is Jim TALENT. Dreams love to pun and refer to cultural phrases “pain in the ass”, “who warts the pants in the family”, (particularly relevant to a dream I deconstructed online for a magazine), etc

              So what was the dream saying? “You are scared to death of your talent and the challenge the next level (which would be significantly more powerful) brings if it shines.” Since I am pretty aware if my psychological history, this was completely in line with fears generated by my father when I was young and in youth. He nearly killed me over this when I was 21/2 and was hughly abusive throughout most of my youth. Thus I had large struggles moving first from young children as my primary arena to include older children (who I did very well with once I got my bearings) to adults. I am faced with the same issues now (finishing a book, expanding a client base, etc) but the same personal issues are involved.

              So the dream elegantly in 5 seconds reaffirmed the core issue. In psychology it is called “annihilation fears.” The dream precisely picked the “stage” that suited the narrative that metaphorically matched my issues of development and chose the EXACT match of personas to convey the message, especially the last name “Talent”, which was the heart of the matter.

              Now you *could* say this is all coincidence, but it’s quite a reach, especially when you see it over and over and over for the first few hundred tines without fail,. And of course see it over and over and over in the thousands of dreams worked on by good dream workers. I don’t tell people what their dreams mean.The dream leads us to its meaning.

              Again, they are precise, the dreaming mind knows everything about you, they never lie, and they seek integration and healing of the self.

              I’m giving you an opportunity to do something outside your “box”. (Experientially). You have nothing to lose (except your conceptions on this). If you want to stay in there fine.

              I’m the one with decades of experience with this, not you.Material scientists are still stuck in Plato’s cave, boxing with shadows.