• I Won’t Watch This Movie

    So, Oliver Stone is making a new movie to praise late Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chávez:

    Oliver Stone is making a very beautiful film about our commander Hugo Chavez… that he will likely finish in the next months,” [president Nicolás] Maduro said on Thursday, at an event in the northwestern state of Lara.

    “We are eager for its debut on the big screen in Venezuela,” he said.

    Maduro said that one of Stone’s producers informed him about the film while on an official trip in Paris.

    So, now we skeptics have to debunk not only righ-wing icons such as Teresa of Calcutta and New-Age filthy leaders like Gandhi and the Dalai Lama; but we also have to deal with left-wing pseudo-martyrs such as Hugo Chávez. Great!

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    • peter

      Yeah, I guess a guy who got elected twice is a dictator…because one election wasn’t enough for the populace to be convinced that they had to elect him again so he could really proof he was a dictator..reminds me of some US president, who broke loose several wars..but then again, by definition a US president, no matter how he deals with internal security, breaks amendments to the constitution, robbing money from the taxpayers to pay the banks, how many times he kills citizens – or non citizens not even engaged in combat, can ever be a dictator because…ah yeah, he was elected at least twice, so as opposed to some dirty filthy foreigner in some godforsaken SA country he cannot be a dictator. Even if he is black, he is our black and not a bloody latino, right?

      Oh, and since you are so loose with definitions – i think by those you apply (or seem to apply, because you define someone as a dictator why? is not really discernible, maybe off the cuff, maybe you hate latinos, maybe you don’t like the name Chavez, maybe the rich in Venezuela have an effective spokesbeing in you, maybe because Chavez was not a US citizen?) I could call a few US presidents dictator, present occupant of the throne included.

      I have read better stuff from you; maybe it is the weather getting to you?

      • “I guess a guy who got elected twice is a dictator”

        Hitler was elected democratically, that doesn’t make him a democrat.

        “reminds me of some US president”… “opposed to some dirty filthy foreigner in some godforsaken SA country he cannot be a dictator”

        So… your argument is… what exactly? I have to choose between Chávez and Bush /Obama? The failings of a US President make it right to be against civil liberties in Venezuela?

        “Even if he is black, he is our black and not a bloody latino, right?”… “maybe you hate latinos”

        I think you really ought to check my About page. It’s at the top of my blog. I am Latino. I don’t hate anyone for their skin color nor the place they were born.

        “you define someone as a dictator why?”

        I linked it in the post, but I guess the bold in “Hugo Chávez” can hide the link, so here it is. Have at it: http://www.skepticink.com/avant-garde/2013/03/05/hugo-chavez/

        “I could call a few US presidents dictator, present occupant of the throne included”

        Good for you! You should be proud!

      • OK. It’s time for some refutations. I’m a Venezuelan, and I’m going to put things in the right place.

        “Yeah, I guess a guy who got elected twice is a dictator…because one election wasn’t enough for the populace to be convinced that they had to elect him again so he could really proof he was a dictator”

        He got elected twice (and even more) because of demagoguery, because he said the “revolution” would achieve its objectives during the next period, objectives that have never been achieved with success, even when some projects were partially well done. Promises of a revolutionary paradise that never comes, and it never came.

        Of course, and this is quite OBVIOUS, the amount of elections you win is not a proof of how much democratic you are. Indeed, modifying the Venezuelan constitution in order to get infinite reelection opportunities shows your intentions of keeping power forever by not allowing others to rule the nation.

        Take a look on the Venezuelan constitution, please. It is not even “Bolivarian” (well, the Bolivarian constitution in 1826 wasn’t even democratic).

        “reminds me of some US president, who broke loose several wars..but then again, by definition a US president, no matter how he deals with internal security, breaks amendments to the constitution, robbing money from the taxpayers to pay the banks, how many times he kills citizens – or non citizens not even engaged in combat, can ever be a dictator because…ah yeah, he was elected at least twice, so as opposed to some dirty filthy foreigner in some godforsaken SA country he cannot be a dictator. Even if he is black, he is our black and not a bloody latino, right?”

        Such comparison is a red herring fallacy. First, because it has nothing to do with our topic of discussion (= Chávez), and second, because the fact that your government did bad things doesn’t make Chávez era any better.

        “Oh, and since you are so loose with definitions – i think by those you apply (or seem to apply, because you define someone as a dictator why? is not really discernible, maybe off the cuff, maybe you hate latinos, maybe you don’t like the name Chavez, maybe the rich in Venezuela have an effective spokesbeing in you, maybe because Chavez was not a US citizen?”

        Ad hominem fallacy. And it is stupid to say that the criticism against Chávez comes from rich people, when there are LOTS of poor/middle-class people disagreeing with this “revolution”.

        I’m one of those poor/middle-class people.

        And I’m one who is upset with this ridiculous government which doesn’t even have money for toilet paper and convinces uneducated people to help a revolutionary process they don’t even understand.

        Yes, they don’t. Lots of Chávez supporters among people haven’t ever read ANYTHING about socialism, comunism, revolution or something similar; they supported Chávez positions in favor to Qadafi just because he said so. He taught Venezuelan people to hate Americans due the fact of Bush’s and Obama’s administration (well, except Sean Penn; Sean Penn says nothing intelligent but “viva Chávez”). They still feel such xenophobia against several English speakers like you.

        The fact that Chávez governments even lied to ALL Venezuelans and the ENTIRE world about his cancer (they said he was going to be OK, out of any reasonable doubt) gives points against his discurse, and this becomes worst when when he’s transformed in a sort of politic-mesianic-sexual-fetish that is not so different from Jesus Christ.

        C’mon, go ahead, come to Venezuela and feel the wonderful sensation of not having toilet paper, and buying your products in a giant queue due the fact that the production is not enough, and getting the sensation of how your money flyies because the inflation “eats” everything, and paying our taxes in order to support Castro’s dictatorship (our taxes gave monet to Qadafi, Hussein, Al-Asad, Zelaya, Ortega and Kim Jong-un as well).