• How Not To Show Your Distaste for Fascism

    This is Greek soccer player Giorgos Katidis giving the Nazi salute:

    Greek soccer player Giorgos Katidis has been slapped with a lifetime national team ban after celebrating a goal for AEK Athens by giving a Nazi salute.

    Calling Katidis’ actions a “deep insult to all victims of Nazi brutality,” Greece’s soccer federation put an immediate end to the player’s international career, The Associated Press reported.

    Because there’s no better way to show how you despise fascism than by banning someone for life for expressing himself freely.

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    Article by: Ðavid A. Osorio S

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    • Apparently, according to him and his German coach, he had no idea what the salute meant. That’s possible, surely. I remember a time when I knew that the salute existed but didn’t know what it meant. At that time, I could have done something similar.

      I have no idea how they decide these sorts of cases.

      This article thinks there’s no way he didn’t know what it meant: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jakewallissimons/100207819/so-giorgos-katidis-gave-a-nazi-salute-by-mistake-give-me-a-break-he-was-fanning-the-flames-of-greek-fascism/

      However many people are ignorant of lots of ‘common knowledge’. The author of the Telegraph article doesn’t provide any evidence that Katidis knew what the salute meant.

      Also notable is that Paolo Di Canio, a far more famous footballer (now a manager) has publicly used the salute and even admits to being a fascist. He got a one game suspension.

      • That’s exactly what I’m arguing against!

        It shouldn’t matter if he knew or didn’t, neither whether any of them is a fascist or not – that’s the whole point about being against fascism: to allow people to have their opinions, no matter how ludicrous and utterly offensive and ignorant.

        How come you are supposed to take a pick from within certain allowed philosophies in order to play soccer and if you hold the wrong opinion, then you’re banned?

        That’s not very democratic, now, is it?

    • im_skeptical

      This is not a case of government suppressing speech. It is the Greek Soccer Foundation, who evidently feels that he doesn’t represent their values. They probably should have chastised him rather than banning him permanently, but I think he is still free to express his opinions as a private citizen.

      • So… is the Greek Soccer Foundation somehow not a governmental/federal/national institution?

        I can’t agree with people losing their jobs over their opinions – only in the cases where those opinions are the raison d’etre of their jobs (people working for Athteists organizations, priests…).

    • Zardoz

      The question I have is how long is this gesture going to be associated with the Nazi party. Surely there must come a point where a physical gesture is no longer associated with a single historical event.

      Anyway, the Romans should sue. This is out and out plagiarism by the Nazis.

      • Graham Martin-Royle

        It was mussolinni’s fascists who started the fascist trend of using this salute. As they were Italians I imagine that using this old Roman salute appealed to them.

      • I think the gesture will be tainted forever; good thinking!!