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Posted by on Feb 16, 2014 in Morality, Politics, Sexuality | 16 comments

Dale Hansen Defends Michael Sams in Jaw Dropping Speech on Gay NFL Players

What a fantastic commentary here. Excellent. More of that, thanks.

One point which I have made before is that conservative vs liberal politics is inherently incoherent:

Right-wing = tiny government please, and stay out of our lives, apart from when it concerns sexuality and morality and family, in which case let’s regulate the shit out of it so we can get teh gayz and them other morally abhorrent people away from us

Left-wing = controlling government legislating everything, apart from what goes on at home, and morally – basically, anything goes.

 

What an odd paradox.

  • Luke Breuer

    Focusing on homosexuality over and above murder and rape is evil, regardless of whether homosexuality is a sin. (It’s easier to not have to question the other side’s strongly-held assumptions, at least for a while.)

    • Void L. Walker

      “Regardless of whether homosexuality is a sin”–elaborate a bit more. Is it, or not? Please don’t tell me you’re in the ‘choice’ camp. That has been so thoroughly ravaged by psychologists and experts in human behavior/cognition that to claim otherwise is just fucking stupid (and I’m not saying that you do, but you’re so damn vague sometimes, Luke). IF you believe it is a choice, I would advise doing some research and talking to actual homosexual individuals; I myself am bi, and trust me….not a choice. Then, on top of that, we have the fact that homosexuality has been extensively documented in over 2,000 other non human animals. Okay, enough ranting. I guess I haven’t even heard whether you mark it as a sin or not (and frankly, I don’t think there’s a logical view for you here; I.E, if it is a sin, it’s one that God hardwired into us genetically that is supported by many environmental factors, on the other, if it is not, how do you justify the VERY clear passages in Lev.). Please, by all means, go for it.

      • Luke Breuer

        Is it, or not?

        The fact that you asked this means you didn’t understand my point.

        • Void L. Walker

          No, I understood your point perfectly well (kinda hard to not understand such a brief point to begin with). I have noticed on other comments from you that you generally skirt the gay issue (marriage in particular), so I took this as an opportunity to probe further…this is somehow a problem? Granted, I tend to skew off into tangents of this nature often, and this tends to confuse people, but alas. So, your answer?

          • Luke Breuer

            I will answer your question in a place other than this one; I want to keep the discussion on the point I’m interested in, here. If you’d like, you can email me: labreuer@gmail.com . I will ask those emails to be kept between you and me, though.

          • Void L. Walker

            ….why would I share the email…hmm. No thanks, though–if you refuse to answer a simple question then meh. Funny, though, because most of our discussions have diverged a ways away from the original point and the “interesting” bits therein, often culminating so far removed from the original post/discussion that it is barely recognizable. But alas, you have already elucidated me enough. (sigh squared)

          • Luke Breuer

            If you don’t see this as an obviously explosive topic, then I don’t know what to say. “simple question”, hah! Have fun trying to smoke out the queen of spades, though…

          • Void L. Walker

            Yes, incredibly simple. Explosive? On a liberal, intellectual blog such as this, where the general sense of accepting, understanding and calm dissent is apparent almost immediately? Even if you were to proclaim that is was sinful, I doubt the backlash that you’d receive would be considerably greater than claiming much of what you already do. But oh well, stick with your guns. (even if they’re rusty and can no longer fire straight)

          • Luke Breuer

            I shall consider myself appropriately burned.

          • http://www.skepticink.com/tippling/ Jonathan MS Pearce
          • Void L. Walker

            My, how explosive. No wonder Luke dare not mention it (I realize sarcasm is so early 90’s, but meh).

          • Void L. Walker

            If you need any ointment I still have a bit.

          • Void L. Walker

            (wink, wink, tap tap….)

    • Void L. Walker

      I do hope I didn’t come off as rude here…I’m kinda a ‘to the point, no bullshit’ sort of guy.

  • http://disnotblog.blogspot.com/ Eugen

    How do I celebrate differences between me and gays? How do I celebrate differences between me and fat people? What’s there to celebrate, people?

    • http://www.skepticink.com/tippling/ Jonathan MS Pearce

      That’s a pretty good question. The way I would interpret that is that we should celebrate the successful equalisation of rights for people with differences where that should be obtained.