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Posted by on Dec 14, 2012 in Psychology | 31 comments

Paedophilia and Cognitive Dissonance

In the UK at the moment there is a scandal rocking the entertainment and broadcasting industry. It actually started several years back when glam rock star Gary Glitter was found with child pornography in the 90s and was found guilty in Vietnam in 2006 for obscene acts with minors.

More recently, Sir Jimmy Savile, after his death, has been accused of abuse cases involving minors that run into the hundreds. These abuses seemed to have happened in the context of his charity work and his radio roadshow work, such that he took advantage of children in hospitals and care homes – the vulnerable – making it even more despicable, if that is possible. Savile was a national icon who presented for Radio 1 and a TV Show called Jim’ll Fix It which sorted out giving children dreams that they wanted (when in reality he dashed many). Personally, I never liked him and found him ti be an intensely irritating man. He appeared to hide many of his actions under the guise of his charity work.

Now, in the broader investigations taking place, we have had singer Freddie Starr arrested, publicist to the stars Max Clifford helping police, and in the last few days too, sports broadcaster and host of the hilarious programme It’s A Knockout, Stuart Hall, being arrested.

The scale of this problem seems to be growing weekly as more people (I think even Savile’s driver has been arrested) are detained and questioned. What I find interesting, however, is what goes on in the minds of us, the general public, when people we have grown up knowing and ‘loving’ turn out to be moral monsters. I like Stuart Hall – he has a voice and a way with words that no other broadcaster has come close to. His work on It’s A Knockout was brilliant – what a fun programme!

If I wasn’t aware of how my brain can work against the desire to be entirely rational, if I wasn’t aware of my own predisposition to cognitive dissonance, then I could be doing all sorts of mental contortions in order to rationalise why Stuart Hall is a good bloke and how I can still hold that view.

So let us look at cognitive dissonance. What is it? Well, in my book Free Will? (available from the menu on the right) I talk about cognitive dissonance:

One way we like to invent intention is when we do something that is at loggerheads with our own desires or beliefs. Just like in Aesop’s Fables when the fox cannot reach the grapes, so decides they are sour and not worth having, so we do the same thing (known as cognitive dissonance). I remember buying my first campervan, ‘The Beast’, for what to me was a fortune (£2300), and using many different mechanisms to convince myself that it was a better buy than I thought it was; that it was a good thing it didn’t have a table, because then I could comfortably eat my food on the bed etc. People do this relatively frequently, in such situations as buying a house that has certain issues, or following the Nazi party in the Second World War. Jason Long, in his tirade against the bible in his 2005 book “Biblical Nonsense” claims that cognitive dissonance is at play with the majority of Christians as a way to deal with evidence against their belief such as the non-answering of prayer. In reasoning why Christians, in his opinion, give unusually implausible explanations to such issues as the problem of evil (and natural disasters), the amount of deaths in the bible caused by God, and apparent contradictions, Long claims, “Because the evidence contradicts their deepest convictions, Christians provide nonsensical solutions to the perplexity and ignore valid rebuttals when they can’t answer them” (Long 2005, p.17). As you will see, cognitive dissonance can drive our minds to create intentions for our actions or beliefs. Could it also be, that with the evidence that seems to be undermining aspects of free will, that by defending free will we are showing cognitive dissonance ourselves?

As debating groups will concur, experiments have been done to show this, asking people to debate or make speeches about certain issues that the speaker is not in agreement with. After making the speeches, the person is quite often more aligned to, or understanding of, the position they were asked to argue. In one piece of research[1] a group of students were asked to write an essay on something they all disagreed on. The students were told that they did not have to write it (i.e. given a choice) but they ended up writing it anyway; some were paid 50 cents and the others were paid the then sizeable payment of $2.50 for their efforts. The people who wrote it for 50 cents actually became more positive toward the topic (even though they had less reward). The students that wrote it for only 50 cents not only changed their attitude to the topic, but their perceived intention changed, such that their new attitude led them to believe that they must have had a prior intention of having wanted to do it.

Interestingly, it was only while writing this that the film director Roman Polanski was arrested in Switzerland to be possibly extradited back to the States for a crime of sex with a thirteen-year-old girl that he committed some thirty years ago. What struck me as strange were the lines of people on the streets at a film festival in Switzerland, and similar protests in France, to object to his arrest, as well as the objections of many famous people in the film industry (fans of Polanski’s work). I found this bizarre, since I can hardly imagine that they would have protested that a suspected paedophile not be arrested for having sex with a minor, especially one whom they didn’t know, or had not heard of.  It appears that this is a result of cognitive dissonance as their [desires] approval of his work, their being Polanski fans, is trying to be reconciled with the fact that he is a fugitive and suspected paedophile. The outcome is the strange behaviour of supporting his not being extradited and not being convicted. The shock of knowing this about Polanski was outweighed by their mental investment of admiration for him as a person and artist. Surely, in the eyes of justice, it matters not a jot that you murder, rape of have underage sex yesterday, or thirty years ago!  A crime is a crime, no matter the temporality…


[1] Linder, Cooper and Jones (1967)

And here is the wikipedia definition:

Cognitive dissonance is a term used in modern psychology to describe the feeling of discomfort when simultaneously holding two or more conflictingcognitions: ideas, beliefs, values or emotional reactions. In a state of dissonance, people may sometimes feel “disequilibrium”: frustration, hunger, dread, guilt, anger, embarrassment, anxiety, etc.[1] The phrase was coined by Leon Festinger in his 1956 book When Prophecy Fails, which chronicled the followers of a UFO cult as reality clashed with their fervent belief in an impending apocalypse.[2][3] Festinger subsequently (1957) published a book called A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance in which he outlines the theory. Cognitive dissonance is one of the most influential and extensively studied theories in social psychology.

The theory of cognitive dissonance in social psychology proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance by altering existing cognitions, adding new ones to create a consistent belief system, or alternatively by reducing the importance of any one of the dissonant elements.[1] It is the distressing mental state that people feel when they “find themselves doing things that don’t fit with what they know, or having opinions that do not fit with other opinions they hold.” [4] A key assumption is that people want their expectations to meet reality, creating a sense of equilibrium. [5] Likewise, another assumption is that a person will avoid situations or information sources that give rise to feelings of uneasiness, or dissonance.[1]

Cognitive dissonance theory explains human behavior by positing that people have a bias to seek consonance between their expectations and reality. According to Festinger, people engage in a process he termed “dissonance reduction”, which can be achieved in one of three ways: lowering the importance of one of the discordant factors, adding consonant elements, or changing one of the dissonant factors.[6] This bias sheds light on otherwise puzzling, irrational, and even destructive behavior.

The case of Roman Polanski was incredible, to me. A man who has committed a crime that if an unknown other had done it, the very same people who supported him would have been disgusted. It is amazing to see such mental gymnastics. The case of Savile is very different. This reflects the degree to which people didn’t really like him. There is not so much surprise and even less support for him. I think the latest stats are some 600 cases have now been reported to the police. The interesting question raised here is why it took so long for these people to come forward and for the other celebrities that seemed to know about this to do anything or speak out.

I gave a talk last night on the Nativity and there were some good questions after the talk, one of which touched on cognitive dissonance. I tried to communicate the idea that CD is so all-pervasive. We all use the mechanism on an almost daily basis.

So, question for you, the reader – when did you last most obviously recognise yourself exhibiting cognitive dissonance?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=617290610 Justin Griffiths-Bell

    The tyranny of reason brings about and forces this ‘cognitive dissonance’ of which you speak. It should signal to you the poverty of rational thinking, ape-thinking, if you like. What your reason entails is a shutting down of all extra-rational qualities, whose existence must by your own principles be life-preserving. It is a narrowing of humanity, and it tends towards a homogenisation of thought. You seem, with your dogmatic creed, to be at the very vanguard of the Starbucks generation that spawned you, and unwitting drone of late-capitalist thinking, experiencing a continued false-consciousness. Your ‘reason’ in buying your camper van has no greater claim to rightness than your ‘unreason’. In fact, it is only through retrospect are you able to make such a value judgement.
    Let me leave you with this poem by Wordsworth:

    Anecdote for Fathers 
    I have a boy of five years old;
    His face is fair and fresh to see;
    His limbs are cast in beauty’s mould,
    And dearly he loves me.
    One morn we strolled on our dry walk,
    Our quiet home all full in view,
    And held such intermitted talk
    As we are wont to do.
    My thoughts on former pleasures ran;
    I thought of Kilve’s delightful shore,
    Our pleasant home when spring began,
    A long, long year before.
    A day it was when I could bear
    Some fond regrets to entertain;
    With so much happiness to spare,
    I could not feel a pain.
    The green earth echoed to the feet
    Of lambs that bounded through the glade,
    From shade to sunshine, and as fleet
    From sunshine back to shade.
    Birds warbled round me — and each trace
    of inward sadness had its charm;
    Kilve, thought I, was a favored place,
    And so is Liswyn farm.
    My boy beside me tripped, so slim
    And graceful in his rustic dress!
    And, as we talked, I questioned him,
    In very idleness.
    Now tell me, had you rather be,
    I said, and took him by the arm,
    On Kilve’s smooth shore, by the green sea,
    Or here at Liswyn farm?
    In careless mood he looked at me,
    While still I held him by the arm,
    And said, At Kilve I’d rather be
    Than here at Liswyn farm.
    Now, little Edward, say why so:
    My little Edward, tell me why. –
    I cannot tell, I do not know. –
    Why, this is strange, said I;
    For, here are woods, hills smooth and warm:
    There surely must some reason be
    Why you would change sweet Liswyn farm
    For Kilve by the green sea.
    At this, my boy hung down his head,
    He blushed with shame, nor made reply;
    And three times to the child I said,
    Why, Edward, tell me why?
    His head he raised — there was in sight,
    It caught his eye, he saw it plain –
    Upon the house-top, glittering bright,
    A broad and gilded vane.
    Then did the boy his tongue unlock,
    And eased his mind with this reply:
    At Kilve there was no weather-cock;
    And that’s the reason why.
    O dearest, dearest boy! my heart
    For better lore would seldom yearn,
    Could I but teach the hundredth part
    Of what from thee I learn.

  • http://www.skepticblogs.com/tippling/ Jonathan MS Pearce

    Justin. I see Wales has got to you. 

    Is your post ironic? Or are you exhibiting cognitive dissonance in your attempt to discredit cognitive dissonance? In fact, what IS your broader point – is it postmodernist? Cognitive dissonance is an established area of psychology and was heralded as the greatest success in psychology of the last century (or something like that). 

    The later realisation about my campervan was that I was originally foolinf myself – using mental gymnastics to hide a deeper reality – the fact that I had bought a shit van. That I was convincing others around me of its good points simply deluded myself in covering up all of the bad points. We do this all of the time. When you are outplayed on the sports field, how often is it x or y’s fault, or the referee, or the weather, or some other cover up of a deeper reality (you were shit on the day etc). When a smoker rationalises away all of the hard evidence for the fact that they will probably have smoking related troubles, they exhibit CD. etc etc

    There is no Starbucks, capitalistic thinking here. This is psychology 101.

  • Sergio Paulo Sider

    I like Robert Carroll’s approach, that emphasizes how we deal with cognitive dissonance: with cognitive competence or cognitive incompetence.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=617290610 Justin Griffiths-Bell

    My post is not ironic, and I don’t believe, from my understanding of your term, that I am exhibiting signs of cognitive dissonance, but to some extent that would be difficult to prove. Postmodernist? What I was trying to say is the topic of King Lear, so it is as postmodernist as Shakespeare, which may well be as po-mo as you can get. It is also a strong thread that runs through Romanticism, which isn’t postmodernist at all. 
    My broader point, is just as I described it, and established or not, its success in psychology is neither here nor there to my purposes, and nor is your camper van. My point is that you clearly put too much store in reason as the means for uncovering the truth. Your over-reliant ‘faith’ and I use the word deliberately in reason is at best a delusion, or at worst, a self-destructive cutting off of your essential humanity. Your thinking is very much of this epoch, it’s sad to say, and you appear to be very readily seduced by rationality. That’s okay! Everybody is, myself included. However, I think you have become a flag bearer for that sort of thinking, and so naturally I am drawn to attack your words. Your instinct was to buy the van. Your reason was screaming out that it was impractical. You bought the van. The van was crap. You curse your instinct and praise your reason. But there’s no way of saying that it could not just as easily have been the other way round. Your cum-hoc-ergo-propter-hoc analysis is convenient, but it doesn’t hint at anything worthwhile. how often is it x or y’s fault, or the referee, or the weather, or some other cover up of a deeper reality (you were shit on the day etc). It is very often a combination of all of those things, a confluence of circumstance that leads to you being shit on the day. Being shit has no real property at all. You do not play outside of the game, and your performance can only be understood within the context of the game, and the game can only be understood within the context of the world. There are no barriers to the self or to objects in the world, but that we have constructed those barriers in our minds (I think this may be postmodern, I recall reading Derrida talking about this, but I think he was talking about Nietzsche). The world is chaos, and we create meaning out of our mind. You believe that you are understanding the world, using rational principles. However, that’s nonsense. You are trying, with varying degrees of success, to construct the world using rationality. Why? You’ve committed to using only half the tools in the tool box. These are your sumptuary laws, and they are as seemingly arbitrary as a Catholic refusing to eat meat on a Friday, or a Jew not eating shellfish.  Somehow, it all reminds me of the opening lines of the Koran:”You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything).  Guide us to the Straight Way, The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians).” 

  • SmilodonsRetreat

    Hmm… it appears that most of the time “cognitive dissonance” is used incorrectly.

    Most of the people that I know have no feelings of discomfort by holding two (or more) mutally exclusive positions.

  • Sergio Paulo Sider

    Holding mutually exclusive positions is easily done with compartmentalization, by applying cognitive incompetence to cognitive dissonance episodes. 

    Like the “lame car” example, you just choose to give excuses. Do it enough times and it’s settled; the unease feeling goes away.

  • http://www.skepticblogs.com/tippling/ Jonathan MS Pearce

    Sure, Sergio. And that IS CD. That is how it can work. We desire for the unease to go away, and our minds mange this process well. The point being is that it is a subconscious mechanism. We do not ‘choose’ for our minds to work in this way. Take the classic Festinger-Calsmith work on aligning opinions towards counter-attitudinal writing:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance#Induced-compliance_paradigm

  • http://www.skepticblogs.com/tippling/ Jonathan MS Pearce

    How do you mean?

    The classic example would be prayer.

    A theist believes intercessory prayer is effective. This is the core belief.

    It is tested. It fails, over and again. This evidence contradicts the core claim.

    The theist harmonises this by minimising / eradicating the power of the evidence (disharmonious belief) by claiming ‘God moves in mysterious ways’ or ‘you can’t test God’. etc The core belief remains untouched.

    This is CD. 

  • SmilodonsRetreat

    OK, maybe we aren’t using it incorrectly.  The definition seems to imply that the person feels discomfort when holding wrong or mutually exclusive beliefs.  The creationists I’ve talked to don’t feel anything.  They have no conflicts (that they are aware of).  Morton’s demons and all that.

  • Sergio Paulo Sider

    Granting our conscious volition as ‘real’ for this discussion, do you think our actions in resolving the dissonances are entirely unconscious? 

    I mean, in the ‘bad car’ scenario you can choose to convince yourself the decision was not bad trying to enlist the pros, even knowing the cons. 

    What do you think?

  • http://www.skepticblogs.com/tippling/ Jonathan MS Pearce

    Creationists use extreme CD. They have a great set of evidence to contradict their position. They use some marvellous gerrymandering to allow themselves to hold their core belief.

    flat out deny science
    accuse scientists of a conspiracy
    cherry pick
    comfort themselves with pseudoscience

    and so on. They don’t even harmonise, they ignore!

  • http://www.skepticblogs.com/tippling/ Jonathan MS Pearce

    I wrote about this as being subconscious in my free will book. It’s only on reflection that I realised my campervan rationalisations, so at the time it was non-volitional. 

  • Sergio Paulo Sider

    Taking my own experiences in buying unnecessarily expensive cars, I guess I was aware of it and every time the ‘buyers guilt appeared, I consciously tried to bring up an excuse, until that felling went away.

    I am not denying the powerful unconscious process, but as you can train yourself in avoiding bias, you can also train yourself to avoid contrary evidence.
    In the case of cretards or theists in general, one can also consciously avoid searching for evidence.

    Am I too off thinking that way?

  • http://www.skepticblogs.com/tippling/ Jonathan MS Pearce

    Justin, I think you miss the point.

    In bringing up CD I am making no grandiose pronouncement about rationality. I am merely talking about what our brain does. This is evidently what my brain did in the case of the campervan, so I can;t see there is any room for debate.

    The only truth I am uncovering is what processes our minds go through. This has been empirically tested, originally with the Festinger-Carlsmith experiments and have been replicated since. People empirically change their opinions on a task given particular scenarios. Again, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance#Induced-compliance_paradigm

  • http://www.skepticblogs.com/tippling/ Jonathan MS Pearce

    I suppose if you are saying that you were in some way cognizant in your conscious CD, then it becomes more a question of free will such that you chose to do that, and whether that more conscious choice is philosophically viable.

    It’s not.

  • Sergio Paulo Sider

    I am still a hard determinist I think even our consciousness is an independent function of the brain, like Jiminy Cricket sited on my shoulder. Spending my entire life there, he (err, I) has/have the illusion of being in control of what all my “body” does.

    Again, granting the illusion of cognizant control (avoiding the nuclear effect of our robotic inner workings), if it’s an entirely unconscious process, one would think it’s impossible to avoid it. But as in you OP example, you can be conscious of it and avoid it. If you consciously search for evidence, wouldn’t you be avoiding the bad effects of CD? Like training to avoid bias knowing how our mind works?

  • http://twitter.com/iamcuriousblue iamcuriousblue

    I think calling Polanski a “pedophile” is really misuse of the term. I’ve never heard of him trying anything with a pre-pubescent child. That said, he’s definitely a *rapist* – what he did with Samantha Geimer (drugging, then forcing himself on her) would have been rape if they’d been the same age, much less someone barely a teenager.

    The reason, though, that not everyone has ill-will toward Polanski is that what he did happened a long time ago, his victim has since forgiven him and has specifically said she really doesn’t want to go through any kind of court case again (and really wants the press to leave her alone), and there’s no evidence that he’s doing anything like this today. It wouldn’t be any great injustice if he finally did see the inside of a courtroom or jail cell for what he did back in 1977, but a lot of people are content to let sleeping dogs lie, and truth be told, I think on the scale of people who deserve to face some retribution for things they’ve done in the past, Polanski is kind of low on the list. There are war criminals with less of a legal threat hanging over them than Roman Polanski has.

  • http://www.skepticblogs.com/tippling/ Jonathan MS Pearce

    She was 13. The definition of paedohpilia is under 16, in general terminology.  The ”International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems 10th Revision (ICD-10) Version for 2010 gives this definition: “A sexual preference for children, boys or girls or both, usually of prepubertal or early pubertal age.”  The American Heritage Stedman’s Medical Dictionary states, “Pedophilia is the act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children.” And so on. You can split hairs about whether it is paedoophilia or hebephilia, but the point remains the same. Also, most people would not know what the later term means. In the UK, paedophilia is the blanket understood term for under 16s.The FBI does, i think, differentiate, but in the UK our child abuse unit is called the Paedophile Unit.

    Here is California Penal Code 265.1 which he was tried under.http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/261.5.html

    The point is this: would people have been crowding extradition hearings with placards, would Hollywood stars have come out to support a random bloke guilty of paedophilia?And this is the basis of CD – the conflicting emotions of someone who you really like and respect who has done something bad, and someone who you don;t care for doing something bad.

  • http://twitter.com/iamcuriousblue iamcuriousblue

    “She was 13. The definition of paedohpilia is under 16, in general terminology.”

    I don’t know where you get that this is “the definition” of pedophilia – if you look it up in DSM, it clearly defines it as attraction to pre-pubescent children. Keep in mind that pedophilia is not a legal term, but a psychological one.

    Nor do I think this is a matter of splitting hairs, because there are key differences between children and adolescents. Adolescents commonly seek out sex of their own volition (something I know from experience, having been sexually active from age 14), in not so distant history, people would marry at that age, and ages of consent in different countries vary anywhere from as low as 13 to as high as 18. All of this point to many grey areas with adolescent sexuality, and a whole lot of cultural and historical variation in what’s considered the age of sexual maturity. The definition of pedophilia to include sex between adolescents and older partners is inaccurate and revisionist. One can certainly take issue with power differences and the potential for abuse with teenagers and much older partners, but throwing in a loaded term like “pedophilia” is simply throwing more heat than light on the issue.

    “The point is this: would people have been crowding extradition hearings
    with placards, would Hollywood stars have come out to support a random
    bloke guilty of paedophilia?”

    Well, that cuts both ways, doesn’t it? Would some random bloke who skipped trial, jumped jurisdiction, and stayed gone for 30+ years even be on anybody’s radar? Would their be large numbers of people howling for his blood? I doubt it. And I’ll note that for all the fans and defenders Polanski has, he has at least as many people who hate him for what he did.

  • http://www.skepticblogs.com/tippling/ Jonathan MS Pearce

    I gave you 2 official definitions and the very penal code he was tried under! That’s pretty solid to me! As most people differentiate (eg Encyclopedia of Mental Disorders – “Many courts interpret this reference to age to mean children under the age of 18″) between legal and psychological terminology, and this is about the legal case, then my definition stands fine (The Oxford Dictionary simply has: Definition of  paedophile - noun - a person who is sexually attracted to children.”)

    The fact is, that no matter what it was, it was a crime. And this is the important point. He was defended disproporionately due to people liking him (and yes people dislike him as well). Those defenders would not have defended any other similarly accused (guilty) men, I can guarantee. This is CD.

  • http://twitter.com/iamcuriousblue iamcuriousblue

    I’m sorry, but there is a distinction to be made between “violated age of consent laws” and
    “is a pedophile”. The condition of pedophilia is not defined simply by
    the arbitrary laws of a jurisdiction. A 25 year old who has sex with a
    17 year old who they are in no position of authority over would not be
    committing any crime in the UK. In California, the same thing would be
    treated as a serious crime if reported to the authorities. So would this
    person be a “pedophile” in California, but not in the UK? The obvious
    answer is that it would be ridiculous to do so, but if you start
    defining pedophilia as a legal category, that’s what you’re stuck with.
    It’s a bit like declaring somebody a drug addict based on a drug
    possession conviction.

    I don’t think this is splitting hairs, but
    speaks to a real distinction. “Minor” as a legal category does not take
    into account actual socio-sexual development. To say that a 17 year old
    adolescent is the same as a 7 year old child in terms of sexual
    development is ridiculous on the very face of it. But this is exactly
    what using the term “pedophile” so broadly does.

  • http://www.skepticblogs.com/tippling/ Jonathan MS Pearce

    Hi there

    Whilst the definition is not important for my CD point (it is about harmonising evidence of criminality or negative evidence with a positive opinion), the definitions I have given you, some half a dozen, qualify this.

    For example: 

    “In
    contrast to the clinical definitions, 
    the legal definitions of paedophilia in the UK are more stringent; with
    current sex offender’s law defining paedophilia as a sexual relationship
    between an adult’ (over the age of 18) and a ‘child’ (under the age of 16) (Sex
    Offenders Act, 1997).  The current UK law
    also states that because children below the age of 13 cannot give consent, any
    sexual relationship with a child of this age is automatically statutory rape (Sex Offenders Act, 2003).”

    There are definitions which define as pre-pubescent, for sure. However, in common (colloquial, since almost no one in the general public understands the terms peri-pubescent, hebephilia and so on) terminology, and using both the legal (which is the whole point of this debate, since it was about his prosecution) and the medical definitions I have clearly outlined here, I am well within my epistemic right to call Polanski a paedophile (especially considering the ‘early pubescent’ definitions).

    And again, the point about CD is not affected by the definition of paedophilia here – it is about what the mind does when dealing with disharmonious beliefs.

  • http://www.www.skepticink.com/tippling Bryant Cody Rudisill

    My last two huge moments of cognitive dissonance was the penultimate to my disavowal of the Christian faith and after the disavowal itself.

    The moments leading up to my rejection of the Christian religion was intense. I was trying to be a Christian while living a lifestyle of “sin.” Friends and family were letting me know I was living in sin. My pastor let me know that I was living in sin. I had moved a good 8 hours away from home with my girlfriend. I wasn’t attending church. I was reading hard-hitting books that made me evaluate my faith. I began to have doubts. This entire time I was a steadfast Christian who wasn’t living a consistently Christian lifestyle and that created a major cognitive dissonance.

    Then came the break. I decided I could no longer identify on an intellectual level with the Christian religion–I renounced my faith. I think the cognitive dissonance that formed at this point was a causally related to a number of things: how do I tell people? do I keep pretending like I’m still a believer? When I left the faith I didn’t immediately become an atheist. I still had a form of theism (deism, maybe?) that I held onto. I believe these factors are what helped create the cognitive dissonance that formed during this transition. Eventually I told my friends. Then my family. I worked out more kinks in my beliefs and dropped any vestiges of theism. This helped enormously.

    I do think I still conjure that cognitive dissonance now that I’ve moved back to my home town. Everyone knows me here and everyone knows how “on fire” I was for God and His Word. They knew I would preach, be a theologian, and an exegetical warrior all at once–it didn’t happen. And some still see me that haven’t heard and will ask me where I’m going to church at. Most the time I just say I’m not going anywhere currently so that the conversation gets dropped.

  • http://www.skepticblogs.com/tippling/ Jonathan MS Pearce

    Fascinating stuff. Thanks. Do you fancy writing up your deconversion acccount. I have posted 2 real stories so far.

  • http://www.www.skepticink.com/tippling Bryant Cody Rudisill

    No problem. I’ll get to work on it.

  • http://www.skepticblogs.com/tippling/ Jonathan MS Pearce

    Good question. I feel that as I have learnt about CD I have become cognisant of what is going on in my own brain. I suppose this might represent levels of consciousness. Either way, I feel that my reaction to my observations of internal CD is determined, but it allows me to at least be aware of my potential (and sometimes actual) mental gymnastics involved in CD.

    I find that the older I get, the more black and white I get, and perhaps the less intuitive and more rational, to a degree in agreement with one aspect of what Justin has said here. The benefit being that I think I cut through the crap more effectively and efficiently. 

    In essence, in being more honest with myself, I find I have a more honest relationship with the world. Don’t know if that answers your question!

  • TristanVick

    iamcuriousblue is correct about pedophilia being a psychological term. All paraphalias are. 

    Pedophilia is, however, the only one considered a mental illness. Although some modern research seems to suggest it may be a brain disorder rather than psychological. Therefore pedophilia would be closer to something like aspergers than sexual perversion. 

    Meanwhile, age of consent and carnal knowledge laws vary drastically from country to country and culture to culture. 

    In Japan age of consent is 13 but carnal knowledge is enforced legally for any persons 16 and under. Additionally, American law states that U.S. citizens abroad will abide by the age of consent laws of their respective state or territory if the age is lower in the foreign country than their own.

    For example, although my Japanese friends could technically engage in sexual intercourse with a 16 year old high school girl, I cannot due to the fact that the age of consent for my home state of Montana is set to 18. Even though it is not technically breaking any laws in the country I reside, U.S. policy states that I am bound to my own countries laws as a U.S. citizen. 

    Interestingly enough, I could legally marry a 16 year old Japanese girl, make her my wife, then sleep with her sexually and it would be perfectly legal, even according to my own state law which makes exceptions for legal binding marriages. There are strange loopholes to the laws. But strange rules like this can be easily abused. Think of the “rape marriages” in certain Islamic countries which marry off underage women just for men to rape them. Not good.

    I should add that age of consent laws vary even from state to state, as do carnal knowledge laws.

    Carnal knowledge, by the way, is different than statutory rape in that many states stipulate an age at which a minor can fully consent to a sexual relationship, knowing that it is illegal. In such cases the adult cannot be tried for rape because the minor gave knowledgeable consent. Many states, however, conflate both statutory and carnal laws so there is no distinguishing difference in terms of legal precedence toward prosecuting the adult. So it’s good to be aware of the laws.

    If I slept with a 16 year old in Hawaii, which is the age of consent for that state, I could still be tried for statutory rape in Montana should that 16 year old ever decided to press charges (for example). 

    Anyway, I think it is an interesting subject. I have studied the teen pop-idol obsession in Japan extensively, and I think that a not so subtle undercurrent of pedophilia inclinations may be fueling the popularity of groups like AKB48.Also, it made sense to me that in a un-Christianized society like Japan, things like pedophilia would be more out in the open.

    Japan has many strange laws too. Such as, owning child pornography for private enjoyment isn’t illegal. But selling or distributing it is. 

    Also, cannibalism is perfectly legal in Japan. Weird.

  • http://www.skepticblogs.com/tippling/ Jonathan MS Pearce

    Thanks Tristan

    I am aware of the psychological definitions, for sure. However, the term is not just reserved for that context. For example, the last 100% of the times that term has been used in my presence (and I teach children, so it gets bandied about a lot) it never once referred to the psychological condition, but to the legal / criminal usage. This is crucial. It has common usage understanding. That is why the first definition in dictionaries is usually that. I am a New Zealand-o-phile. I love all things New Zealand. This is not a psychological ‘condition’ is you like, but a description of my preferences. Thus we can see semantic differences in the application of language. 

    One Uk derived answer, for eg, was this:

    “The term paedophilia refers in general to sexual attraction towards children. The legal definition however, sometimes seeks to make a distinction by defining paedophilia as recurrent sexual attraction towards young children (often those ages 13 or younger). It can further be defined as the perversion that has children as the preferred sexual partners.”

    Which still encompasses Polanski at any rate.

    Now i fully recognise that there are huge differences between a pre / peri / post pubescent teenager, of course. And yes, this is reflected in the opinion of the crime. 

    Your points on laws in Japan are very interesting indeed. How morality seems to differ in the more than just the finest of details, geographically. I wonder how much it will evolve towards Western standards over time.

  • TristanVick

    Jon,

    I think you highlighted one of the biggest concerns I have with the term ‘pedophile.’ 

    Like bibliophile (love of books) or xenophile (love of culture) the term pedophile simply means ‘love of children.’

    Using it as a pejorative term for someone who enacts harm to children, an act of hate in itself, makes pedophile an oxymoron. I do not like it one little bit.

    Also, you highlighted another stance toward pedophiles that I think plays into a stereotype. That they are all depraved child rapists. Actually, there are some pedophiles who undergo excruciating electroshock therapy–and will take drugs to shrink away their testicles–because they are under the impression that the stereotype is true: that they are somehow morally depraved monsters.

    I think it is dangerous to classify pedophiles as such. It fails to address the real problems of the paraphalia–the desire to have sex with underage children. At the same time, it ignores all the evidence which seems to suggest that pedophilia is a biological response and a brain disorder.

    Calling into question the morality of the pedophile is akin to calling into question the morality of the homosexual for no other reason than their biology.

    Also, calling someone a pedophile because they are sexually attracted to 15 to 19 year olds, for example, is entirely incorrect. Even if we run with the common usage of pedophile, it usually intends children under thirteen (sexual attraction to children from 11 to 14 is called hebephilia). 

    But what if one is sexually aroused by 15 and 16 year olds? This person would be prone to ephebophilia.
    I only raise this point because in most cultures ephebophilia is entirely legal and is practiced all over the world where legal consenting age is set at 16.

    So the gray area of what even constitutes a pedophile is so uncertain as to make me highly uncomfortable with the term. If, for example, a 15 year old student of mine came onto me and we fell in love, then when she turned 16 we engaged in coitus, does that make me a pedophile? Not by any law (assuming 16 is the age of consent in this hypothetical).

    So if I was sexually aroused by her when she was 15 just as well as when she was 16, there is technically no difference. So to say it’s rape at 15 but not 16 is arbitrary. That’s another problem I have with pedophilia in general. The laws do not account for the variations or range of paraphilias and they all seem to be based on the stereotype of child rapist rather than one who is sexual attracted to specific age groups.

    But I prefer to call child molesters and rapists just that… child rapists.I think that cuts back on the confusion. As the science progresses on this issue, I have the suspect feeling the pedophilia will be proved, in the next decade or so, to be an official brain disorder, and thus genetic. Once it is proved so, either the terminology or the laws will need to be ratified, if not both.

    Interestingly enough, Lewis Carroll is often labelled a pedophile because he took photos of underage girls in their underwear. What is not well known was that this was a popular artistic movement of his day. He wasn’t just some weirdo taking pics of kids in their nickers.So even views of what constitute outright pedophilia are subject to cultural change.

  • http://www.skepticblogs.com/tippling/ Jonathan MS Pearce

    Tristan

    I think you might have straw manned me here a little. Let’s return to the OP. This is about one thing only, and it need not be peadophilia. 

    1) we have an emotional reaction to something
    2) this emotional reaction is mitigated when that something has a prejudged emotional attachment, thus initiating cognitive dissonance

    In this case, I presented the evidence of 2 paedophiles who have both been branded paedophiles by the general public (at least over here). It is irrelevant for the point as to what you want to label them.

    Jimmy Savile was met with revulsion
    Polanski was met, not universally, but by a good many at least, with support.

    Now these cases were not identical by any means, Not at all. but there was definitely CD at play with Polanski,.

    This is not a post about paedophilia. I was only discussing definitions because iamcuriousblue brought it up.

    So, my original point stands.

    Being a hard determinist, I of course agree with much of your post, however.

    Your reference to the Sorites Paradox with regards to ‘paedophilia’ is my stock example of the power of the Sorites Paradox, so we are singing off the same song sheet there.

  • TristanVick

    I get what you’re saying about the cognitive dissonance issue, but my point is that pedophilia is too subjective of a term to actually apply to the example you gave.

    I don’t see it as cognitive dissonance so much, because it’s not like people are accepting a pedophile and then, in the next instance, not. It simply a matter of people having emotional reactions to the personalities of the men.

    So if there is any cognitive dissonance happening, it is with regard to how people judge which character they like, regardless of whether or not pedophilia is involved.

    Precisely because pedophilia is such a grey area, it’s actually hard to gauge what people might actually be thinking about the action/deed or the definition itself. If they were both murderers, then that’s a much clearer definition.

    So although I see what you’re getting at, the interesting thing in the article was more about how we define pedophilia, because it’s that confusion (around this term) which makes your article problematic, in my opinion. But it also happens to be the more interesting discussion, I think.

    I don’t disagree with your definition of cognitive dissonance, just the subject matter and how I perceive it is being framed.

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