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Posted by on Jan 6, 2014 in Religion, Science | 5 comments

If the DNA of Pigs Change Muslims Could Eat Them

A Muslim and atheist start a conversation on twitter. No, it’s not a bad joke, it started with an honest question… why not eat pigs?

The response was “god said so” and “health reasons”. Of the two, I obviously consider health reasons to be more telling. That’s a legitimate concern. There are several parasites that host in pigs and undercooked pork can contain live parasites.  Of course, cooking pretty much removes that issue.

So the question became, “if health reasons were eliminated, then would you eat pig?”

The response was quite interesting.

“If you can change the DNA structure of a pig, it would no longer be a pig. Then we’ll chat.”

That doesn’t answer the question. To me, this heavily hints that “because god said so” is a more important reason than anything else to this person.

But the answer is also very curious. What he’s saying, in effect, is that if a pig wasn’t a pig, then he could eat it. That makes sense. He won’t eat pigs, so if it’s not a pig, then he’ll eat it.

So, this really has nothing to do with health concerns (which are non-issues anyway), but only because “god said so”. In effect, a person who claims to be the prophet of god said that pigs aren’t clean (and admittedly at the time, they weren’t) and thus an entire group of people currently exist who do something for no reason.

This leads me to another question though. How much would the DNA have to change for a Muslim to non-longer consider an animal a “pig” and thus be able to eat it? Last I checked, bearded pigs were in the same religious category as domestic pigs. In fact, there are ten species in the genus Sus. Is it just domestic pigs (a sub-species of wild boar), or all members of Sus

If it’s all member of Sus, then there’s a lot of work to be done to change the DNA of a pig to something non-Sus. This guy is expecting to change between genera. That’s not even possible in a human timeframe.

Bit if it’s not all members of Sus, why domestic pigs and not other pigs. They are pretty similar right?

Obviously, this was never intended to be a legitimate discussion. Just a rationalization of one’s beliefs. I just don’t get these guys.  I really don’t.

  • kraut2

    Why focus on muslims. The Halakha laws of the jewish nonsense are even more hilarious:

    Dietary Laws

    To examine the marks in cattle (so as to distinguish the clean from the
    unclean) (Lev. 11:2) (affirmative). See Animals
    that may not be eaten.

    Not to eat the flesh of unclean beasts (Lev. 11:4) (CCN93). See
    Animals that may not be eaten.

    To examine the marks in fishes (so as to distinguish the clean from the
    unclean (Lev. 11:9) (affirmative). See Animals
    that may not be eaten.

    Not to eat unclean fish (Lev. 11:11) (CCN95). See
    Animals that may not be eaten.

    To examine the marks in fowl, so as to distinguish the clean from the
    unclean (Deut. 14:11) (affirmative). See Animals
    that may not be eaten.

    Not to eat unclean fowl (Lev. 11:13) (CCN94). See
    Animals that may not be eaten.

    To examine the marks in locusts, so as to distinguish the clean from the
    unclean (Lev. 11:21) (affirmative). See Animals
    that may not be eaten.

    Not to eat a worm found in fruit (Lev. 11:41) (CCN98). See
    Animals that may not be eaten.

    Not to eat of things that creep upon the earth (Lev. 11:41-42) (CCN97). See
    Animals that may not be eaten.

    Not to eat any vermin of the earth (Lev. 11:44) (CCN100). See
    Animals that may not be eaten.

    Not to eat things that swarm in the water (Lev. 11:43 and 46) (CCN99). See
    Animals that may not be eaten.

    Not to eat of winged insects (Deut. 14:19) (CCN96). See
    Animals that may not be eaten.

    Not to eat the flesh of a beast that is terefah (lit torn) (Ex. 22:30)
    (CCN87). See Kosher slaughtering.

    Not to eat the flesh of a beast that died of itself (Deut. 14:21) (CCN86).
    See Kosher slaughtering.

    To slay cattle, deer and fowl according to the laws of shechitah if their
    flesh is to be eaten (Deut. 12:21) (“as I have commanded” in this verse refers
    to the technique) (CCA48). See Kosher
    slaughtering.

    Not to eat a limb removed from a living beast (Deut. 12:23) (CCN90). See
    Kosher slaughtering.

    Not to slaughter an animal and its young on the same day (Lev. 22:28)
    (CCN108).

    Not to take the mother-bird with the young (Deut. 22:6) (CCN189). See
    Treatment of Animals.

    To set the mother-bird free when taking the nest (Deut. 22:6-7) (CCA74).
    See Treatment of Animals.

    Not to eat the flesh of an ox that was condemned to be stoned (Ex. 21:28)
    (negative).

    Not to boil meat with milk (Ex. 23:19) (CCN91). See
    Separation of Meat and Dairy.

    Not to eat flesh with milk (Ex. 34:26) (according to the
    Talmud, this passage is a distinct prohibition
    from the one in Ex. 23:19) (CCN92). See
    Separation of Meat and Dairy.

    Not to eat the of the thigh-vein which shrank (Gen. 32:33) (CCN1). See
    Forbidden Fats and Nerves.

    Not to eat chelev (tallow-fat) (Lev. 7:23) (CCN88). See
    Forbidden Fats and Nerves.

    Not to eat blood (Lev. 7:26) (CCN89). See
    Draining of Blood.

    To cover the blood of undomesticated animals (deer, etc.) and of fowl that
    have been killed (Lev. 17:13) (CCA49).

    Not to eat or drink like a glutton or a drunkard (not to rebel against
    father or mother) (Lev. 1

    http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm

    The real fun however starts with the sexual stuff on that site.
    Soem of it makes sense – a lot not so much, but because the whoever has comanded it.

    • SmilodonsRetreat

      It wasn’t intended to a be a treatise in the subject. Just something funny I saw on twitter. But thanks for the list. That’s interesting.

  • azportsider

    What of the New World Javelinas and Peccaries (Tayassuidae), which sort of resemble the Old World pigs, but are in a separate family? Would they be forbidden too, even though the Old World authors of Abrahamic traditions had never seen, nor even heard of, them? If so, now you’re talking about changing the DNA at the family level, never mind the generic level.

  • James A. North

    I’ve heard rumors that if you place wing genes in the porcine genome then certain hot locations will experience a prolonged polar vortex.

    In other words, god is more important than reality to certain segments of society.

    • SmilodonsRetreat

      I have it on good authority that, given enough thrust, pigs fly just fine.