• Zoe Quinn’s lying, cheating, claim of stabbing and killing a man alleged by photographer

    This post is about the Gamergate controversy (read about it here), and specifically about Zoe Quinn. I identify as a gamer, but I have not previously weighed in on the subject. Today I will, to republish the account that photographer Mallorie Nasrallah posted to her Facebook page yesterday. While I ordinarily eschew the impulse to “call out” supposed moral transgressors because the tactic is abused by crass new media / blogger narcissists, it is sometimes appropriate, particularly when there is hard evidence in hand. I think that gamers and the gaming press should know all the relevant information available about the person responsible for Gamergate now widely known due to Gamergate [edited for clarity]. Mallorie’s allegations are her own and not those of myself or Skeptic Ink. Republished with permission. Link to original. Full disclosure: Mallorie Nasrallah is a friend of mine.

    [Edit] To add, as some have pointed out, the Gamergate controversy itself is complex and currently centers around issues of journalistic propriety, general problems of sexism and harassment as covered in the wiki link provided above, and not around Quinn.


     

    Mallorie, Zoe, and Zoe's roommate
    Alright, story time. I’ve been basically silent on this issue, I am not sure my contributions are relevant, and I have feared being ostracized and ridiculed. I can accept the latter, but I really hate to waste people’s time.

    In 2007 I lived in New Hampshire, and was working as a photographer with a number of soft core “alt” erotica / porn sites. I traveled frequently to work with models affiliated with the websites I was affiliated with. A model working under the name Locke Valentine – this is the woman currently known as Zoe Quinn – modeled for two websites I was affiliated with – she as a model, I as a photographer. One of those websites is still in business, the other – unfortunately the one we communicated via – is no more.

    Locke / Zoe was living in Albany, NY at the time. We expressed a desire to collaborate, and set a date for three photoshoots.

    In fall of 2007 (according to my EXIF data 10/25/2007) I packed up my equipment and drove the 220 miles to Albany, for a weekend of work with Zoe.

    By time I arrived in Albany, Zoe had cancelled one of the three shoots we had planned. She lived in a tiny apartment with her boyfriend / spouse / lover (I did not ask personal questions) and her roommate. I had been assured I could over night with them, and that they had room to accommodate a guest, and room to shoot in. They had neither. We ended up doing an impromptu shoot in the extremely crowded apartment, in the middle of the night, to try to save the shoot. I was not proud of it, but I knew with a bit of editing, it had potential.

    While we tried to plan a shoot for the next day Zoe, and Co. chatted with me. She claimed to have stabbed a man – attempted rapist – in the face, who had grabbed her [Edit: Zoe claimed to have killed the man as well, see email screencap below]. She relayed to me no less than three other accounts of alleged violent assault. I will not share the details here, I feel that would be fundamentally indecent. I was alarmed at this, and I admit, by the time she made the claim that she stabbed a man in the face with a knife* and ran away, I was skeptical as well. Two claims involved alleged workplace incidents, and were her prime explanation for why she could not hold a job. I was mildly disconcerted, because true or false, these stories have good cause to make one uneasy. She also claimed to have reported nothing to police, or management at her work.

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    Mallorie:
    out of common decency I have never said a word about how cold, hungry and miserable that weekend was for me, about your reasons for declining the set and how unfair I felt that was, about how disturbed I was that you told me you killed a man, which I must say is a lot more disturbing than talking philosophy and joking about plastic surgery. I am not asking you to talk about our shoot,  Im saying that if you are unwilling to tell the whole story what you end up telling is twisted and dishonest. -Mallorie

    Locke (Quinn):
    That is a bit different from killing someone in self defense while he’s raping you and probably going to kill you when he’s done. I’m sorry you think that’s somehow terribly disturbing, but I am not going to let someone murder me if there’s something that I can do about it, and what I did was completely legal. It’s fucked up that you’re giving me a hard time for it, but I guess it’s my fault for opening up to someone in the first place.

    I’m finding it hard to care anymore when you seem to be disregarding what I’m telling you and giving me shit for defending myself on the worst night of my…. That’s really rather low. I’m giving you enough credit to think that you might actually try and understand what I’m saying rather than just getting pissed off and telling me I’m a horrible person for not letting someone kill and finish raping me. I really thought you were better than that. Otherwise I would’ve just ignored your e-mail.


    That was not all we discussed, we talked about modeling, the websites, and erotica/porn in general. It was what we both did for a living, and candid conversation on the subject was not unusual.

    The next day I had to drive everyone to the location of our shoot, which was her roommate’s place of employment. An arcade. This is the location where the photo shown here was taken. I was irritated that after driving 220 miles, and having to carry all my equipment to a shoot, I was also deliberately given the false impression that Zoe, and Co. would have their own transport. I was also irritated that Zoe could provide neither her own wardrobe for the shoot – it is normal for the model to use her personal items in these sorts of shoots – nor her own food while on site. Keep in mind, we both are paid by a site, once the photos are sold, everything I spent came out of my own pocket. Otherwise the shoot was unremarkable, it went far better than the one the night before, and we all had a basically good time.

    We tried for some more photos that afternoon in a forested area Zoe directed me to, but we had neither enough light, or privacy to shoot anything substantial or of value.

    I returned home, spent countless hours editing hundreds of photos. It was a terrible experience, but so be it.

    When I was ready to send the photos off to Deviant Nation – the site we worked for – I wrote to her to let her know. It was only a few days, a week at most, since I had left Albany, but I ALWAYS get a model’s final approval before I send photos off. As far as I know I am the only photographer working in that specific industry who had that strict policy.

    Zoe informed me that her roommate, who had been involved in the shoots, either by being in the apartment, or smuggling us in to her place of work turned out to be a, ” mentally unbalanced cunt,” (her words not mine) among other things, and that it was unacceptable to use ANY of the photos we had taken that weekend. I was pretty upset about this, and sent her several messages asking if perhaps I could talk to the roommate, have her sign a waiver, or something, despite the fact that neither Zoe, nor I, had any legal obligation to ask the roommate’s permission for ANYTHING. Zoe insisted that she was a crazy, evil bitch, and refused to provide me with any sort of contact information.

    Finally, weeks later, a handful of other models I had worked with on the site messaged me to inform me that Zoe had written them and told them that I forced her to look at, “mutilated vagina,” pictures, which she said, had horrified her, and she had basically sent me away then and there. The models she told this to knew me, and thankfully came to me with these nonsense claims. We had in fact discussed cosmetic surgery, while talking about modeling, and she had looked up Before/After Breast Implant images. The conversation moved on to Labiaplasty, and we looked at a few of those images as well. So, there is an inch of truth, in the really awful lie she told about me. There was never any force involved, and she was the one controlling the computer the whole time. This took place in her home, on her computer, with her boyfriend and roommate both in the room.

    I decided it wasn’t worth the fight. I was eventually contacted by the roommate, who told me a very different story to the one Zoe had, and I let the issue drop.

    I was never paid for the images, because I respected her wishes and never published them. I still have the images in archive on my computer, because I archive everything. I was never reimbursed for the gas, wardrobe, or food I purchased on the trip. To someone starting their career, that was quite a dig to my wallet.

    7 years later, Zoe is still BY FAR the worst client I have ever had.

    What does this story have to do with GamerGate? When I realized Locke was Zoe, I was disgusted to see she was still playing the same games. Stealing, cheating, lying and claiming to be victimized by anyone and everyone. Maybe she did stab some guy in the face, and maybe in the first week at every new job she had, some guy tried to extort sex from her. Maybe that doesn’t establish an MO on her part. But I know, I did nothing wrong to that woman, and I did not deserve to be lied about. I did not deserve to have my time and my money wasted, and even now, I wonder if opening my mouth about this means she will think of some new horse shit to spread about me to try to ruin my career. And that does seem to be her modus operandi.

    If this were a courtroom, I would call myself some sort of character witness, and I’ll let you all make of this what you will. Share it if you feel like it, I couldn’t keep my mouth shut and watch her try to stomp out all the fires she has started by shitting on any more people’s careers.

    #gamergate #zoequinn

    *Edit
    Upon reading though archived emails, I discovered I can confirm and prove that she claimed to have killed the man she stabbed. (screenshot of email, irrelevant details redacted.)

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  • Article by: Edward Clint

    Ed Clint is a bioanthropology graduate student at UCLA, cofounder of Skeptic Ink, and USAF veteran.

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    • Generaallucas .

      This will become a complete shitstorm. I garantuee it.

      • cooldudeboom50
        • Spacedad

          One week’s supply of crocodile tear wipes for gamergaters.

          • Generaallucas .

            What is your obsession with this article, Mr. Shill?

            • As I have also said to Spacedad, please avoid personal insults and fighting on this site. I realize this subject matter is highly emotionally charged, but bickering will not help.

            • Marvo

              He’s a SA Goon, they already chose whose side they are on

          • Please try to keep comments civil and constructive.

            • Spacedad

              Sure thing. It’s a bit hard to though because this article is basically someone allegedly from Zoe’s past who is dragging private gossip into the open. What does this have to do with gaming, much less journalism ethics? Nothing. But apparently it’s ‘extremely important’ to a segment of people that we learn about every bad past experience in Zoe’s lifetime for ‘reasons.’

              So here’s my constructive review of the article:

              Literally everyone on the planet has had bad experiences in their personal past they don’t want people dredging up – but because Zoe Quinn’s a vocal female feminist gaming figure, suddenly it’s become ‘all-important’ to pay attention to every last bit of gossip about her personal life. That I find very absurd, and question the personal integrity of the writer of the article.

              Constructive review over.

            • Thanks. I appreciate that it is difficult under the circumstances. I have no problem at all with you criticizing it on its merits or lack thereof, as you have in this comment.

            • Spacedad

              Thanks. I admit I came here partly in bad faith to mock the article, but the source of my discontent with it is a legitimate critique which I voiced in the above post. Thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt.

            • Mallorie Nasrallah

              Hi! I’m the author of the original post. You asked why, and I think thats a fair question. Though it would have been more fair if you hadn’t then gone on to assume an answer.
              This is not about her gender, its about her credibility. She is making some very large claims, and others are making very large claims in her name. This has become harmful to people. So, I had information, which deals directly with her credibility, and how she treats people in a work environment.
              After thinking about this for months, I decided to share it, because ultimately we accept that this is a person willing to lie about rape and murder, or we believe her, and that means she killed a man in 2007, and there is an unsolved murder in the Albany, NY area.
              Either way, its relevant, and has nothing to do with her gender, her ideology, or what anyone could reasonably call her, “personal life.”
              I hope that clarifies.

            • iamcuriousblue

              I strongly doubt that Quinn killed anybody, but in any event, that’s a hell of a thing to blurt out to a near-stranger and makes me wonder about her emotional stability. If it’s true, why would she not report it to the police (and in the case of self-defense homicide, there’s still absolutely a duty to report and go through the legal process – if somebody evades that, I think they should have a damn good reason), but that blab about it to someone she’s just met? And if she didn’t, what a weird lie about oneself to go around telling people.

              In any event, I’d personally rather not drag Zoe Quinn back into Gamergate again – the usual idiots already have a narrative that the criticism of game journalism is really just a cover for an attack on Quinn, Anita Sarkeesian, and other “outspoken women” – why feed that narrative more than necessary?

              That said, there’s one question connected with Quinn that still does come up – she claims to have logs of 4Chan discussions claiming that Gamergate and #notyourshield are all strategies originating from 4Chan, and even making the tall claim that #notyourshield posts are all from sock accounts. (Rebecca Watson in particular has run with this one.) As “proof”, we’re given these “logs” that Zoe Quinn provides:

              http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-09/10/gamergate-chat-logs

              Now given Quinn’s history, I’m wondering if these logs are entirely made up. I should note that even if they are the real thing, Gamergate has long since expanded beyond its founders and their particular priorities, and that SJW’s who make it all about Quinn, Sarkeesian, and misogyny are simply pushing a narrative rather than making an accurate current assessment.

            • SO brave of you to come forward, seven years after she supposedly admitted to committing a murder to you… I’m sure there is nothing in the timing of this sudden new found respect for the law and desperation to bring her to justice!

            • Eshto

              Wow, I really do not understand how your mind works Spacedad. A person with a clear history of pathological lying, manipulating, and relationship abuse has been elevated by a certain contingent of gaming bloggers as some kind of moral hero and innocent victim; with the authority to lecture other people on topics such as women in tech industries and depression.

              Criticism of her is being actively censored across several websites including 4chan and reddit. Several blogs including Kotaku and Cracked run eerily similar stories with the same false narratives, portraying Quinn as being an innocent victim of evil “gamers”. The similarities are then easily explained when a secret back channel is discovered, where games bloggers collude, hammer out a narrative, and pressure dissenters to toe the line. Several games “journalists” (bloggers) write incredibly incendiary articles announcing the death of gamer identity, and broadly declaring gaming culture to be full of misogyny and harassment. Several of these journalists and their indie developer friends go on twitter and act like utterly unprofessional, spoiled children; calling all gamers “pissbabies”, saying all gamers should be “nuked”, saying gamers are worse than ISIS. I have never seen people working in an industry be so completely hostile and insulting toward their own customers, it is unreal.

              Meanwhile you are still literally defending someone who is an outed relationship abuser.

              How on earth can anyone in their right mind be okay with any of that.

            • atrueklingon

              Literally everyone on the planet is a vocal female feminist gaming figure, and they dont want people dredging it up – but because Zoe Quinn’s a walking “bad experience” suddenly it’s become ‘all-important’ to pay attention to every last bit of gossip about her personal life, so you, spacedad, can try to convince everyone of the opposite

            • d3v14n7

              Yes, it’s relevant (even over a year later) because it shows everyone that her history is filled with manipulative behavior, lies, abuse, manufacturing things in order to portray herself as the one true victim, regardless of the facts, using people to get what she wants no matter who is hurt in the process, creating false threats/harassment against herself in order to gain support for whatever she is involved with, and so much more… It shows us just what kind of a person she is and that we should be skeptical of anything she claims…

    • CrazyCal999

      Holy Christ. I thought she was just your typical opportunist… damn, she’s a real psychopath.

      • Spacedad

        You’re talking about the writer of this scurrilous trash, right?

        • Guest

          You don’t see any value to her story?

          • Spacedad

            No. I am going to copy-paste why from another post here:

            Literally everyone on the planet has had bad experiences in their personal past they don’t want people dredging up – but because Zoe Quinn’s a vocal female feminist gaming figure, suddenly it’s become ‘all-important’ to pay attention to every last bit of gossip about her personal life. That I find very absurd, and question the personal integrity of the writer of the article.

            • OSM

              This isn’t about “bad experiences”, just “bad behaviour”. “Literally everyone on the planet” does NOT have a history of bad behaviour, very few of us would ever do the things ZQ has done.

            • Eshto

              I have one ex who treated me badly in ways similar to how Zoe treated her ex, and he caused lasting damage to my ability to love and trust.

              You are literally defending relationship abuse and apologizing for it, and I find it completely and utterly reprehensible.

              I cannot believe you are prepared to elevate this manipulative, toxic person to the level of “vocal feminist gaming figure”. I find that so incredibly disturbing I cannot even describe it properly.

            • Bedknobs_and_Boomsticks

              People pay attention to ALL gossip, regardless of the subject. It’s part of culture, and is hardwired into our DNA.

            • DarciaM

              You mean kind of like how anti-GamerGate people will hang someone for even associating with someone who posted about GamerGate one time? Face it – Zoe Quinn is the one who put herself on the pedestal and talked constantly about how she’s the “victim”. She wants GamerGate to be about her, and she and the anti-GamerGate crowd will happily spread whatever bullshit they want about people THEY disagree with, but the minute it happens to her, it’s irrelevant? It’s very relevant – why should we trust a word she says if this is her past behavior? This isn’t about her personally. This is about her professionally.

            • Mick Price

              “Literally everyone on the planet has had bad experiences in their personal past they don’t want people dredging up”
              Yes and everyone knows that people have the right to dredge it up, particularly if it’s an incident in which they behaved in extremely unethical and dishonest ways.

              Zoe Quinn made public claims that cannot be verified with physical evidence. Therefore she is putting her credibility out there as an issue. When you do that your behavior is newsworthy. Yet you’re impugning the integrity of the author for simply reporting the truth about Zoe Quinn. It would lack integrity to NOT tell people what a lying, erratic sociopath she was.

        • LindaL

          You think Mallorie is lying?
          Do you know anything about Mallorie, or are you just assuming she is a liar because her experience does not match your narrative?

          • Spacedad

            The word ‘scurrilous’ means to spread scandalous information with the intention of hurting someone’s reputation, not ‘liar.’ Whether she’s lying or not, I can’t say – but I also cannot take her word for it.

            Furthermore: All of this is personal life gossip, which really should never have seen the light of day and vanished into the ether the way that bad experiences in most people’s past do – everyone has had bad experiences in their past they’d rather forget. However – The present internet obsession with every personal life detail of Zoe Quinn is something I find highly absurd, and this article being in my opinion an example of crass opportunism.

            • If it is the case that gamers have decided this controversy is important, and if some significant part of that now hinges on the credibility of a person, then that person’s history becomes information relevant to the topic. Much of the claim being made here is documented in correspondence, which is admissible as evidence in a court of law, so why not the court of public opinion?

              The internet might be obsessed with Quinn, but I am not. Look around, you’ll find out I’ve never mentioned her, as I recall, anywhere to anyone. I believe the same is true about Mallorie, who has nothing to do with gaming as far as I know. She’s a photographer. I’m an anthropology grad student. We’re not part of whatever conspiracy you suggest or point at.

            • Karmakin

              Hello Ed!

              As someone who has been following #GamerGate pretty closely, I can tell you that particular community wants to move way past Quinn. She’s nowhere near important anymore. The focus right now is on the..28 websites that all posted articles about how the label of “Gamer” is dead, how did that come to be and what can be done about that. (The focus right now is on a Gaming Journalist e-mail group, and its ties to several industry think tanks and advocacy groups)

              That all of that stuff happened basically to defend domestic abuse and arguably rape (it’s a weird case to be sure) is basically just the cherry on top of that particular shit sundae.

              But I’m going to be kind of blunt in terms of what the #GamerGate people are angry about, by and large. They’re (we’re..I’m included in this) sick and tired of white, mostly male, middle-class/upper-middle class “hipsters” latching on to the whole social justice thing as a way to make themselves look different and so counter-cultural while dismissing actual women and minorities who have a different opinion. But also they go on and make sexist and racist jokes and remarks, advocate for “problematic” media of all types and all that.

              Honestly, that’s what #GamerGate is about IMO, in a nutshell.

            • What happened to defend domestic abuse? I am not sure I follow what you’re talking about there.

            • Karmakin

              Well, in the original post that started the whole thing, a lot of people think that it’s a clear-cut case of emotional domestic abuse, and even approaching rape. This part of it was basically way downplayed and even eliminated entirely. At least as clear-cut as these things get…we have a lot more proof here than we usually get.

              For example, a thread linking to a very moderate post by a gaming personality who goes by the name of TotalBiscuit, (he’s actually very good) on Reddit saw about 90% of the individual comments deleted on it.

              For a community (talking about the social justice community) that believes in “believing the victim” and “calling out the guilty”, this all was a total 180. Now personally, I think all of that is problematic. And as such I’m willing to say that the original post probably should have gone to the cops (but it’s unclear what they could have done).

              But it’s really everything else that happened since then that’s the focus now. The group-think that’s going on, the sexism and racism targeting women and minorities that are speaking up against this clique, the insulting generalizations, and so on. That’s the focus. Quinn isn’t even part of the picture anymore, really.

            • I see, thank you for explaining. Well, you may have your purposes and goals and I will have mine. I will not begrudge you yours, but nor will I cede to you mine.

            • Karmakin

              Huh.

              What’s the purpose of putting up this post in the first place then?

              I’m really bloody confused. Actually, I’m the one probably confusing things as I’m reversing the charges of gamers being sexist, racist etc. back onto the people making those charges. My apologies for that.

              But it remains, that I think a lot of the “Social Justice Warriordom” is a lot of projection.

            • Kacho_ON

              GamerGate has absolutely nothing to do with domestic abuse and psychopaths. I also did not appreciate the hashtag at the end of the story at all. If possible please remove it.

            • floofy

              gamergate has everything to do with psychopaths seeing that the leading opposition is zoe quinn, anita sarkeesian and leigh alexander.

            • jeffk

              Nope but in order to win an argument without putting up an actual argument just deflect .If calling fantasist’s like those 3 out is abuse .god help actual victims .

            • Cyberxion

              Well, yeah it does, but only inasmuch as it was through the revelation of Quinn’s mental and emotional abuse of her ex that we were clued in to the stunning lack of ethics in modern video game journalism, and not too long thereafter, in to that of the modern mainstream media as well.

              Yeah, perhaps that doesn’t qualify as domestic abuse. I don’t know. I aint a lawman. But abuse? For sure.

            • Brian Crocker

              Except #notyourshield was astroturfed from the start, with most of the initial twitter accounts supporting it being fake made up accounts, and the entire thing was made up to deflect criticism of the ACTUAL “mostly white, mostly male” gamersgate crowd, once people started expressing disgust about how misogynist and awful the whole #fiveguys escapade was. Once #gamersgate saw the “fiveguys” was a losing and dead side, they switched gears to try to turn it to being about “journalistic integrity and corruption”. Except they they latched onto Milo Yanniopolis, a horrible transphobic and misogynist shitheel who has actually written far more damning condemnation about gamers than any of those “gamers are dead” articles ever did. And also works for Breitbart, a “news” organization who has been caught REPEATEDLY in lying and completely fabricating events in order to slam the other side. So, the hypocrisy and pathetic desperation to get legitimacy via kissing up to horrible human beings just because they claim to support #gamersgate is entirely hilarious but sad. There are a handful of issues that gamersgate has brought to light that are pretty decent points – but it’s all lost in how horrible and hypocritical the entire thing has been from day 1.

            • Bedknobs_and_Boomsticks

              It doesn’t matter how it started or what strange bedfellows are associated. That goes for most things. What matters is the momentum and trajectory.

            • Cyberxion

              What amazes me about your post the most is that there’s no way whatsoever that you could have taken that from the bullcrap those cowardly journalists wrote about us, or even the mainstream media’s opportunistic parroting of the false narrative that they fabricated from whole cloth to keep the heat off of them by putting it on us. Seriously, none of that is reflective of any version of reality, not even their own.

              No, #Notyourshield wasn’t astroturfed from the start, nor has it ever been. It was made by a dude who was tired of journalists using minorities like him as an excuse to be utter shitheads to gamers, and was picked up on en masse by pro-ethics minority users of the GamerGate hashtag for the same reason. These people are still actively using the tag on Twitter some four months removed from your post, and almost all of them have at one time or another provided proof in the form of photographs that they are who they claim to be.

              Now you folks, however, immediately dismissed them as sockpuppets in your desperation, sure. And when confronted by these people with their real identities, your camp, in a stunning display of just how little you actually strive to be inclusive, tried to erase their identities. When you could be bothered to acknowledge that they exist at all, you folks would claim that the women were simply too stupid to know what they’d got themselves involved in –proving quite deftly by your dismissal of strong, independant women that you’re not actually fighting for women’s rights after all– and that the male minorities were, as one particularly disgusting member of your sad little gang referred to them, not unlike simple house niggers.

              And listen, I outright reject the idea that being morally outraged by Quinn’s abusive sexual excapades is any more problematic than say, one of your camp whinging on about how Bayonetta’s ass made him uncomfortable while he played her eponomous game. In fact I’d say it’s less problematic simply due to the fact that unlike Bayonetta the people involved in the “Five Guys” debacle are real, and because Quinn’s mental and emotional abuse of her ex had actual real-world consequences that are still evident even some six months after that abuse first came to light, quite unlike videogames. Besides, it wasn’t actually who she was screwing or in what number that folks cared about, but rather, it was in fact that systematic abuse of her ex while she was doing it that people were morally outraged by. If that’s misogyny, then I’m the Space Pope.

              With that having been said, I want to make it perfectly clear to you (and anyone who might read this) that said outrage had absolutely nothing to do with GamerGate, and that it ever did is a myth fabricated from whole cloth by the journalists whose ethical improprieties were brought to light by her ex’s recounting of his experience with Quinn. It was never anything more than a desperate lie meant to take the heat off of themselves by making us look like a bunch of hateful misogynists.

              Within 24 hours of one another a dozen or so competiting sites ran strangely indentical articles about how gamers were hateful, misognynistic little man-children and so gamer as an identity was dead, and it worked. It should have been obvious to anyone with even a single functioning brain cell that they were up to no good, but be it due to naivity, bigotry against gamers, or some other factor that blinded folks to the obvious, it worked. And here we are some four months after your post, still being accused of misogny due to those articles and the slanted pieces about GamerGate run by a mainstream media that favors sensationalism over the truth.

              As for the GamerGate hashtag itself, it was coined by actor Adam Baldwin in response to the videogame media’s attempt to silence gamers’ questioning after Quinn’s theretofore undisclosed relationship with Gawker journalist Nathan Grayson came to light. Gamers began using it soon thereafter because Twitter was just about the only place at the time where we could talk about it without being summarily censored, and it best represented our concerns at the time. That’s its actual genesis. No misogyny, no hate, no attempt to drive women out of the industry. Just a bunch of people looking to discuss the matter of ethics in journalism –or more accurately the apparent lack thereof– under a common hashtag created by an actor.

              As for Milo, you wear your bias’ on your sleeve by how you fail to provide anything in the way of accompanying evidence. And given that you lead into this piece by grossly misrepresenting the #NotYourShield hash-tag, be it willfuly or due to an almost profound ignorance, why should people take you at your word? Not that it’s relevant. Our appreciation of Milo was due to the work did to uncover the GameJournoPros e-mail list, wherein members of several competing videogame blogs/websites colluded to push certain narratives while burying others. It’s all factual and well-documented, and certain participants even quite stupidly confirmed that Milo’s report was legitimate on Twitter when all they had to do was keep their mouths shut. Whatever criticism you may have of the man and the outlet for which he works appears to be nothing more or leass than a sad attempt to discredit his work, which you wouldn’t have to do unless you recognized its significance.

              As for your warped characterization of outlets that report the truth of GamerGate, it further renders questionable your motivation for writing that ill-considered screed. In fact it goes a long way to making it appear as if you are in fact desperate to perpetuate a false narrative, and given that said narrative only helps to foster a climate of fear which actually stands to drive women out of the industry like you can only claim we’ve tried to do, it seems all the more strange to me that you’d go so far out of your way to spread it. Do you sincerely believe that we’re misogynists, or do you just need folks to believe we are?

              You don’t have to answer, of course. That’s a rhetorical question. I’m pretty sure I know what’s driving you. You are most probably a member of the group of faux-progressive radical feminists who co-opted GamerGate early in its life. You need folks to believe that we’re a group of straight white male women-haters in order to push your agenda, am I right? I bet I am.

              Problem is that people are wising up to you guys and gals. Every day more folks are coming around to the inconsistency between what you folks claim we’re about and who we actually are, and they’re starting to question the narrative. It’s happening more slowly than I’d like it to, but it is indeed happening just the same, and it’s owed mostly to how awful you folks behave even as you present yourself to others as our moral superiors.

              Also, seeing as you repeatedly get the hashtag wrong, it’s #GamerGate. No “s” in the middle. Just thought you should know.

            • turibe

              This is an awesome post, well thought out and well articulated post. I want to let you know, because it isn’t getting the attention it deserves. What it deserves is a thousand upvotes.

            • Brian Crocker

              http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/27/virgin-killer-was-not-a-misogynist-but-a-madman
              Read this to find out what kind of a person gamersgate current journalistic hero is, and see if any of that is better or worse than anything the “gamers are dead” articles had to say.

            • Eshto

              The relationship abuse is totally unacceptable and revolting, and should be considered egregious to any feminist, social justice advocate, humanist or anyone else who claims to care about other people and their well-being.

            • JayJerk

              I am actually interested in this “internet highschool” drama. It’s a fun meta narrative that plays out into my interests. And I accept that it makes me appear to be insensitive or uncaring. It’s all just a very interesting story.

            • What you mean is … Clickbait! “Rage blogging” rumours about SJWs for the cash is the fashion at “Skeptic” Ink now?

            • Yes, thanks to this post I can finally get that second jewel-encrusted iPhone case.

              You have a habit of showing up only to insult and cast aspersions, oolon. Which is what you have done here. This is not appropriate, and I will not warn you again. Also, spare me any tu quoque replies, they cannot exonerate your behavior.

            • jeffk

              Spacedad should go read a fable about a boy and a wolf. It goes directly to Quinn’s personality .

            • Eshto

              You are totally unreal. Sites like Kotaku have freely printed totally unsubstantiated rumors about people like Max Temkin and Brad Wardell. Unsubstantiated.

              Meanwhile, we have clear evidence that Zoe Quinn has a pattern of pathological lying, manipulating, attempting to destroy other people’s careers and reputations, and relationship abuse. This is also a person who used her personal life to promote herself, thus inviting scrutiny. Suddenly Kotaku tells us, it’s none of our business.

              I literally do not understand how you cannot see the problem here.

            • potatoes

              Listen and Believe

            • rtdave

              The article is not about Quinn’s personal life, but how she conducted herself in a business relationship. It seems completely relevant to me.

            • atrueklingon

              then by your own definition chelsea/zoe/locke is scurrilous?

            • Dustin Albright

              I can’t touch on whether the publication of the article itself is opportunism, but I can’t imagine that Mallorie’s testimony on her Facebook is of one. It doesn’t seem to me that Mallorie gives a shit about GamerGate, gaming culture, etc one way or the other, but noticing that her Zoe Quinn’s name is popping up a lot lately regarding controversy, wanted to inform the public who has some sort of interest, whether malicious or not, about an account of Zoe that either purports a situation where she killed someone, or created a tall tale about such a situation. And given the track record, and evidence supporting it, I think it’s more than just gossip at this point when Zoe Quinn is possibly using lies and manipulation to further her career. The people who support her, and the people who her narrative, and the narrative of her supporters in game journalism, and the games industry that are attempting to attack and smear those who question her ethics and her actions, all deserve to know the truth.

            • gush

              I just thing she lied to sound badass.
              She wants to sound intimidating “if you mess with me, i’ll shank you!” kind of intimidation.
              So, when she fucked over her photographer, the girl stood still and did nothing, because why would anyone mess with someone like that?

            • Scott Beale

              But you’re willing to take Zoe’s word for whatever the fuck she claims?

            • floofy

              murdering someone is not something that people just “forget,” sir

            • akulkis

              Voted you down because you are, as they say, a dumbass.

            • Guest

              Yes, but you seem to have forgotten that immediately after the word ‘scurrilous’, you used the word ‘trash.’ Which reduces everything you wrote in defense of your phrasing to utter nonsense.

            • Mick Price

              Why should it not have seen the light of day? Zoe Quinn decided to make claims people were threatening her. When she does that her credibility is important, particularly if there is good reason to believe she lied about leaving her home. So if there is an incident where she behaved extremely dishonestly and unethically that is relevant. Further there’s no reason why bad behaviour shouldn’t be reported on anyway. She’s a dishonest, crazy bitch. There’s no reason why people shouldn’t be told that.

            • Big Ice Bastardman ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

              Of course you would object to this not even on the grounds that it is untrue, but because it makes you uncomfortable and you don’t like it.

        • Sean N.

          You’d have to disprove it first for it to be scurillous, and the author and their guest have provided evidence to back their claim. Plus when you look up Zoe Quinn, Locke and Chelsa Van Valkenburg… yeah, it’s not pretty. This woman is your typical deranged psychopath, which all of GamerGate has figured out by now, and she’s been riding this to the bank. There needs to be more psychological screening PERIOD, and not just in the gaming industry. The sad thing is I have met TOO many people just like her irl. Makes me wonder if she was molested or something, or if it’s just generalized mental illness.

        • Big Ice Bastardman ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Awesome, the always insane and preposterous Space Dad shows up to rabidly defend one of his depressing idols.

    • Holyfox25

      I believe your story, but I’m not sure if believe Zoe killed someone… Zoe proved to me how much people will lie and exaggerate to gain sympathy for their causes; just see the wizardchan example for that.

      • Spacedad

        Based on the words of her ex-boyfriend you’ve taken at face value you mean?

        • Drik Snowfield

          Zoe’s ex had more proof of what she did than Zoe had of what wizard-chan did.

          • Spacedad

            I have not seen any credible proof to date presented by Zoe’s ex – and I bore witness to him spamming his stuff on the internet forum I come from. Thus far we’re supposed to take his word for it and the word of various redditors.

            • board124
            • Spacedad

              I see evidence of cheating and being shitty about it, and I’ve never denied that, nor has Zoe for that matter. What there’s no evidence for is that Zoe’s some evil calculating witch who used sex to score game reviews as Eroni claimed. There’s also no evidence of ‘abuse’ – if there were, Eroni would actually be able to build a lawsuit against her for that abuse. Words like ‘abuse’ have actual legal meaning and consequences, you see.

              Airing dirty laundry to the public to try to control the body of your ex through slut-shaming is of course an actual example of abuse though. There are restraining orders issued for this type of behavior in the very-real not-fake world.

            • OSM

              Lying to someone about having no other sexual partners, and then having unprotected sex with them, while continuing to have at least five other sexual partners, is abuse. A lot of things those chat logs record constitute abuse. I doubt Eron has any interest in taking ZQ to court. Doesn’t change the nature of the abuse.

            • Spacedad

              Cheating on, lying about, and hurting someone’s feelings in a failed relationship does not meet the criteria for ’emotional abuse.’ Words have actual meaning, especially with regards to criminal law – the gamergaters keep trying to playing fast and loose with what constitutes ‘abuse’ while ignoring that Eroni’s actions in trying to – in his own words – hurt & take revenge on Zoe Quinn, are arguably an actual case of abuse that could be made. Zoe Quinn knows this, which is why she has been tracking down evidence of how she’s been treated by her attackers and building a case, according to her twitter.

              Also – There’s some kind of hearsay thing now too about a restraining order that’s been placed on Eroni at the moment, but I don’t know how credible that is or what the details are. If true, it’s likely she was able to present the evidence of her ex’s attempt at revenge to the judge for the ruling – practically an open-and-shut one too.

            • Jordan

              This is an ongoing youtube series about the emotional abuse by Zoe Quinn, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_UKErD0uGQ

              Maybe give it a watch?

            • Livnthedream

              I was going to link that. Part 2 is also pretty telling. Thank you for beating me to the punch. Its nice to know that I am not the only one who wants her held accountable for her bullshit. Poor Wizards. :(

            • Pitchguest

              I don’t think you quite understand. By her own (Zoe’s) definition of rape, she knowingly and deliberately ‘raped’ him (had sex with him without disclosing she had cheated on him with others) several times. Not only that, but she lied and manipulated him.

              Read the chatlog. Even after they broke up, she was constantly trying to convince him not to sleep with anyone else. She was worried. Meanwhile she had slept with many more people, before they broke up and after. She tried to gaslight him then, basically saying it was his fault she cheated on him and now she’s trying to do it again – saying it’s his fault her shady practices came to light.

              I mean, really? First she claims that a forum specifically meant for clinically depressed people had harassed her to get support (which was a complete lie), then she claimed she was doxxed (didn’t happen) and then she alleged GamerGate was a 4chan conspiracy. Now we learn she also said she killed a man? And didn’t report it to the police? Come on. She’s a compulsive liar.

            • Mick Price

              “Now we learn she also said she killed a man? ”
              No we learn she claimed to have killed a man, in circumstances where it is impossible to check if she did. Given it’s Quinn…

            • Eshto

              “Cheating on, lying about, and hurting someone’s feelings in a failed relationship does not meet the criteria for ’emotional abuse.'”

              What world do you live in? How awful does someone have to be before you are prepared to acknowledge they were abusive? Or is it just okay when women do it to men.

              Dear god man. You are showing a profound lack of compassion here.

            • Pitchguest

              Which is not to bring Zoe Quinn back into the GamerGate controversy because she was never really a player (ha). GamerGate is about ending corruption in video games journalism. What we saw with Zoe was how she had slept with various people to get favours, notably Robin Arnott who chaired an award commitee for the IGF, and Maya Kramer, an associate of Silverstring Media and Zoe’s current PR agent. Somehow she won that award for Depression Quest despite the fact she was dueling with other finalists, including Lucas Pope (developer of Papers, Please).

              But here’s the thing. What GamerGate focuses on is not just that Zoe Quinn slept her way to an award and other such things, but the nepotism present therein. The corruption. When people tried to discuss this nefarious nature, on reddit, Facebook, and gaming press websites like Gamasutra, Kotaku, Neogaf, Rock-Paper-Shotgun, etc, they were stonewalled right off the bat. Censored is not really the word for it. Demolished more like it. Over 25K comments deleted on a reddit thread in little over a day. It was brutal. Why couldn’t people talk about it? Well, again, nepotism – friends helping friends – reared its ugly head. Turns out that the reason reddit threads discussing it were censored across the board was due to the fact Zoe Quinn and Maya Kramer had a relationship with one of the reddit admins. Then it turns out that Kotaku had a dog in the fight because they were represented by Silverstring Media. Funny that.

              Then later we found out that all these gaming press outlets, Gamasutra, Kotaku, Neogaf, etc, had coordinated themselves through a journo list. Strange that competitors would cooperate with eachother. Roughly 30 articles having the same message: gamers are dead, gamers are over. People with clout ran to their friends in the mainstream media, friends helping friends, with the wish for them to write something disparaging about GamerGate and its supporters, asserting that it’s nothing but a campaign of abuse helmed by anti-feminist misogynists, sexists and other nasty individuals. A bunch of smear tactics because they’d never heard of the Streisand effect and actively trying to prevent something to be shown generally doesn’t work. They also found out that it’s a bad idea to badmouth their consumers as ‘basement-dwelling virgins’ and ‘neckbearded nerds’.

              Actually, badmouthing one’s consumers is a bad idea altogether whatever you decide to call them. It backfired. What a surprise.

            • OSM

              I can’t imagine you’ve actually read the chat logs if you honestly believe that Eron wasn’t emotionally abused by ZQ.

              Eron’s goal with the Zoe Post was to reach out to the wife of the man Zoe was cheating with. An abuse victim has a right to talk about their experiences.

            • Benjamin Hitov

              “Eroni’s actions in trying to – in his own words – hurt & take revenge on Zoe Quinn”

              Well if those are his own words I’m sure you’ll be able to show me where he said them, right? You wouldn’t just make up something like that would you? I think that would be quite unethical.

            • DarciaM

              If it happened to her, would you be arguing it’s “not abuse”. Yes, having sexual partners on the side and lying about it without informing your monogamous partner is very much abuse.

            • Donger

              Well, Eron was taken to court by LiterallyWho. He seems to have been served a restraining order and is accused ofl abuse by LW because of the ZoePost

            • Benjamin Hitov

              “What there’s no evidence for is that Zoe’s some evil calculating witch who used sex to score game reviews as Eroni claimed. ”

              Nope, he also didn’t say that. For someone who complains about ‘scurrilous trash’ you sure make a lot of shit up. And if you think I am wrong feel free to prove me so by linking to where he said that.

              “There’s also no evidence of ‘abuse’ – if there were, Eroni would actually be able to build a lawsuit against her for that abuse. Words like ‘abuse’ have actual legal meaning and consequences, you see.”

              Words also have non legal meanings. Google ‘abusive relationship’. Notice how pretty much no one is using the word’s legal definition.

        • Drik Snowfield

          besides, if what her ex says is true then she emotionally abused him, are you seriously just going to disregard someone who might have been abused by someone else?

          • Spacedad

            None of what Eron described is ’emotional abuse.’ Cheating, yes. Being shitty, yes. But emotional abuse is a very specific thing with very specific ramifications and serious legal consequences. Ironically, an example of abuse is actually to, as revenge on an ex, airing private dirty laundry on their sex life to the public to try to destroy their reputation – an old tactic that abusers use to try to exercise ‘control’ over the person they want to take revenge on. Eron even stated himself that his intention was to hurt her and take revenge. He was not acting in good faith or trying to protect people from ‘future abuse.’

            • atrueklingon

              As of 1996,[4] there are “no consensus views about the definition of emotional abuse

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_abuse

            • Benjamin Hitov

              “Eron even stated himself that his intention was to hurt her and take revenge.”

              No, he did not. It is telling that your argument cannot stand on facts alone.

        • Holyfox25

          Naw, I don’t put that much stock in hearsay. Don’t know why you bought up her ex… I never mentioned him.

          • Spacedad

            Because most of the ‘Zoe is manipulative and evil’ narrative is coming from hearsay from the ex. Of course when you try to actually get credible sources on this it kinda starts to crumble…

            • Pitchguest

              Hearsay? You mean that several a4’s long chatlog where Zoe admits to being deliberately manipulative, lying to his face and even attempting to gaslight him? You do realise that ‘hearsay’ is no longer hearsay if there’s evidence for it, don’t you?

              I don’t really understand what you’re objecting to. Credible sources? Zoe herself has verified that the chatlogs are legit. Is that not credible enough for you?

      • eccles11

        You are right, the odds of that are low. Which means that the odds that she fabricated a story in which a man tried to rape her and she killed him are pretty high.

      • KC Riley

        The way I took it was that she claimed that she thought she might have killed someone.

    • Spacedad

      ‘If this were a courtroom, I would call myself some sort of character witness, and I’ll let you all make of this what you will. Share it if you feel like it, I couldn’t keep my mouth shut and watch her try to stomp out all the fires she has started by shitting on any more people’s careers.’

      No shit ‘if this were a courtroom.’ The witness stand is a very lonely place to opportunistically gossip and scandal about people. But you don’t have to worry about being caught in perjury in the court of the internet.

      • OSM

        Actually the internet is the place you would worry about being caught committing perjury more than any other. We google, we fact-check, we cross-reference. A lot of the trouble various journalists are in regarding GG is precisely because they committed perjury in front of the internet. We’re a lot more thorough than any court.

        • Spacedad

          The internet is a great place to cherry-pick, to halfass, to sockpuppet, to misrepresent, to poorly-source, to make unqualified judgements on subjects far out of someone’s depth, and to argue with animus. The idea that you’d even consider the internet as a whole remotely credible let alone comparable to the context of a court of law is laughable.

          Also, your analogy of the ‘court of the internet’ also sounds exactly like what I’ve been arguing gamergate is since it started: A witch-hunt.

          • Pitchguest

            Maybe you should practice what you preach, eh, Spacedad?

            Ah, so let me get this straight. Leigh Alexander, Editor at Large at Gamasutra, writes a pretty damning article about how ‘gamers are over’ and describes gamers as ‘basement-dwelling virgins’ and ‘neckbeards’ (among other things) with subsequent websites writing basically the same thing (which has been proven to have been a coordinated effort) somehow becomes a ‘witch hunt’ when gamers hit back?

            It’s a ‘witch hunt’ when gamers get more upset by the day when they find out just how deep the rabbit hole goes and they want answers? You can’t even ask the people who said this about gamers directly. They either have disabled comments entirely, will censor any and all dissent or they will claim your question is a form of ‘trolling’. Leigh Alexander have not responded to criticism. Most writers on Kotaku, Neogaf, Rock-Paper-Shotgun, Gamasutra, etc, have not responded to criticism. Instead they have attempted to demonise those in support of GamerGate as harassers, bullies, misogynists, sexists, you name it, everything bad under the sun, and what can the average joe or jane do about it? Nothing.

            It’s a ‘witch hunt’ when threads discussing GamerGate is mass censored on major websites like reddit, Facebook, Tumblr, and even 4chan? It’s a ‘witch hunt’ when people discussing GamerGate get their videos false-flagged on YouTube?

            The furore currently brewing in the atheist community, that’s a witch hunt. The furore surrounding GamerGate, to call it a witch hunt (especially by those in support of GG) is, to borrow a term, laughable.

          • OSM

            The problem with witch-hunts is that witches don’t exist.

            This is more like a corruption hunt. Corrupt journalists exist. That’s an important distinction to make.

            I tend to find that those who fear and distrust the internet are those who hate having their premises and prejudices challenged. I’ve found it a great space to be introduced to new arguments and to have my preconceptions shattered.

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    • Spacedad

      Also, because some people on another distant social media thing reading this article have a hard time understanding my position:

      I’m actually NOT denying everything bad about Zoe Quinn – I’m saying that literally everyone has done bad shit or had bad experiences in their past they’d rather be forgotten. There is presently a toxic obsession among a segment of the internet over the lurid personal life detail of an individual in the gaming scene named Zoe Quinn. The reasons for this seem obsession to be varied and flimsy, but they often come down to disliking her for being a vocal feminist gaming figure.

      Here’s the thing: It’s a very very very old routine for vocal feminists in certain mediums to have their personal lives exploded and dragged out into the open as a means of trying to discredit them and shame them out into silence – I actually witnessed this exact same pattern happening in the comic book industry in my youth. The same exact excuses and flimsy pretext for attacking the personal life of a vocal personality were made back then as they are now, with various fatwahs declared against vocal female figures. Ironically, this creepy obsession over the personal life details of vocal female figures is exactly why those female figures started being vocal in the first place – you want to know what they’re fighting against? You’re literally it.

      • Karmakin

        Zoe Quinn is by no means a feminist. She’s what we’d call a “straw-feminist”.

        • Spacedad

          Zoe Quinn doesn’t represent the whole movement of feminism any more than I or any other individual does. She just happens to be a vocal feminist figure in gaming, and is getting flak for it. Whether you agree with what she says or not is beside the point – the problem at present is stuff like the creepy obsession over her personal life to discredit her.

          • Karmakin

            Honestly?

            She didn’t really say much of anything? I mean, I’ll be honest. I don’t really like that story (although it’s clear that it’s a story that should have been sent to the police, although I’m not sure that we have good laws against that sort of domestic abuse) being told in the first place. But the reality is it was the cover-up that blew everything up.

            But no, she’s NEVER been a vocal feminist figure in gaming. In fact, before this whole thing started, I gave her as an example of a woman who was doing things right. The one thing she was known for, the whole “GameJam” horror show, she got tons and tons of support for.

            The DMCA, to be sure put her on a bit of a shit list. Like I said, it was the cover-up. But that said, the whole #GamerGate thing is not about her in any way, shape or form right now. It’s about pushing back against sexist, racist hipsters who are projecting their sexism and racism onto people they see as “beneath” them.

            • Spacedad

              The ‘cover-up’ for which there’s still no evidence, much less the end product of an alleged review-for-sex, which never actually materialized.

              As for her not being an ideal example of a feminist figure, I’m actually with you on that – she actually got dragged into becoming a feminist figure in gaming almost against her will as a result of a chain reaction of events culminating in a harassment campaign against her, and a lot of anti-feminists using her as a scapegoat.

              This is inherently the issue with inequality – it will be forced upon you against your will, whether you are fighting against inequality or not.

              I think she’s kind of been pushed into becoming more aware of feminist issues almost as a matter of survival now, especially since she’s been taking action to fight back against her harassers.

            • Pitchguest

              Oh, pull the other one, Spacedad.

              Who is it going around telling people that the sole reason Zoe Quinn slept with people was so she could get a good review for her game? Not those in support of GamerGate, that’s for sure. The people who cling to that are Zoe Quinn and her clique. What’s been professed rather is that sex was exchanged for favours, which did happen. What’s been professed is nepotism resulting in mass censorship, which did happen. Give it a rest already.

              It’s amusing to me that you actually try to trump Quinn as some kind of feminist martyr, thrust unwillingly into the fight. Except she thrust herself in as I recall, asserting (with a screenshot showing only two users) that wizardchan had begun a campaign of harassment against her (wizardchan being the wing of 4chan composed of mostly clinically, some suicidally, depressed people) which was a complete lie. That got her publicity in the press for her game, Depression Quest. (Greg Tito of the Escapist even said that he didn’t check whether her claims were true or not before publishing in support of her.) She was also undoubtedly hailed as a feminist hero at that point a la Anita Sarkeesian, despite doing basically fuck all for feminism and how her being a woman had nothing to do it with it.

              Then after the big reveal, she claimed she had been doxxed (which also was a complete lie) and that *private* nude pictures of her were being passed around. (As you can read in this very article and what people found out even before then, the pictures weren’t private, they weren’t even her property. They were taken by professional photographers and put up *publicly* on professional websites.)

              It’s funny that you should claim hearsay on the things Eron says (even though it’s outlined perfectly in his chatlog), but when Quinn claims she’s being or been harassed then it’s open and shut. It’s also a very good evasive tactic to avoid dealing with criticism, saying you’re harassed or that people are harassing you. Constantly bringing up that she’s being harassed – or other people in support of her constantly bringing up she’s being harassed – just means you can never have a conversation about the ethical conduct (or lack thereof) without a red herring. If she’s being harassed we’re not the ones harassing her. Stop pushing us about it.

            • iamcuriousblue

              I was wondering about the “revenge porn” angle that I’ve heard so much about in the context of Zoe Quinn. I had not known until now that she was altporn model “Locke” on Deviantnation and Brokendollz. Were there any actual private nudes of Quinn posted, or where they all from those sites? If there were no private pics reposted, it’s still kind of slut-shaming and irrelevant to post those in the context of Gamergate, but on the other hand, not exactly “revenge porn” or invasion of privacy either, since these are images that are publicly available, and still in a few places used as advertising for those sites.

            • Pitchguest

              They were all from those sites.

              What the purpose was for sharing them I don’t know, but the allegation going around was they were “private” and was used for, as you say, “revenge porn.” Which, I guess, is another falsehood for the collection.

            • Donger

              Seriously, why would LiterallyWho want to blame WizardChan? The entire userbase is made up of DEPRESSED people, who might have actually benefited from DQ

          • Pitchguest

            You know, I’m sure you could say the same thing about Max Temkin.

            Creepy obsession about his personal life to discredit him. Except people don’t really describe it that way. Maybe because he’s a man, he’s white, and Zoe is, well, not. To say she’s getting flak just for being a vocal feminist figure in gaming (since when?) is incredibly misinformed. The point clearly is to show just what kind of a person we’re dealing with and from what I can tell, with her lies after the reveal and before, I wouldn’t trust her as far as I can throw.

      • iamcuriousblue

        The “invasion of privacy” thing is more than a bit of a stretch – somebody who had a very bad experience with her in the past has come forward and decided to talk about, as is their right. (Funny how it’s considered just wonderful when women come forward with private details about the misconduct of high-profile men, but with women it’s some terrible privacy invasion.)

        To what degree this information is relevant to the current situation is valid point of debate, of course. I’d say that to some degree, it is – Zoe Quinn is also going around making claims about other people, so her reputation for veracity is relevant here.

        • Gem

          YES! This. You can deny it ’til you drop dead, but the truth of the matter is that if the genders of ZQ and EG were reversed, ZQ would have been LAUDED by the people condemning EG, both for her bravery and for exposing a manipulative abuser – and EG would have been spat on from a great height for being that abuser. The problem with people screaming about ZQ’s innocence, about how she shouldn’t be judged and about how terrible EG is, is that they’re rabidly sexist and too far down the rabbit hole to realise it. As a woman who’s constantly called stupid, internally misogynistic or a gender traitor for not buying into the idea that vaginas make human beings inherently infantile morons, I find it equally rib-breaking hilarious and desperately sad.

          • PurpleKissa

            I’ve thought about that same thing and think its BS!

      • Livnthedream

        I really don’t care about her feminist angle at all. She isn’t Sarkeesian after all. What I can’t stand about her is the profiteering off from lies. That shit pisses me off. Abusing trust in such a way is deplorable. Especially when you are willing to send harassment to completely innocent people to further your own agenda of “anti harassment”. What really cemented it for me that she was nothing but crying wolf and using it to boost herself was her actions on twitter. Go back through the beginning of this and compare it to what she states in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGiUHF2iqkY

        She KNOWS how to act when being harassed. She flat out stated it this spring at Pax East, She didn’t take a smidgen of her own advice. She repeatedly fanned the flames. Worse, she continues to. From retweeting the doxx of the transgendered kid to lying to Boggs Girlfriend on Twitter, to lying about her role in the TFYC affair and so on. There is more than enough evidence to call her word into question based entirely on watching her Twitter and how she has acted over the last 6 weeks, nevermind the rest like the Zoepost, and the breakdowns of that, the admition by Totilo that they ran the Wizardchan harassment story based entirely on what she said with zero additional evidence, etc etc. I don’t want her out of the industry because she is a woman, or because she has “different” ideas, or because she makes (imo) poor games. I want her removed entirely because she is a lying, manipulative, and overall toxic person. Same can be said for most of the people Gamergate is targeting.

        • Sean N.

          I cared about all that and her false victimhood, because she’s targeting a group of people who are historically bullied and making it ok to happen again. And she’s landed herself a rich boyfriend out of the deal. She’s basically evil incarnate.

          • Livnthedream

            Not evil. Just incredibly selfish with an ideology of the ends justify the means. None of which is evil in and of itself, especially not incarnate. She is a shitty person, and has done multiple abhorrent things, but not evil. I don’t think she has the conviction for evil. Harassment and betrayal is too much of a “game” to feel evil.

            • Sean N.

              The ends justifies the means ideology was created by communism; a false social construct that denies human nature while purposefully creating a system that deceives the masses to create an even more repressive, militant and corrupt government. Zoe Quinn IS evil. Go read the things she’s said and done while she was going under the alias of “Locke Valentine”. She’s mentally fucking ill, or just a sociopath – either way it’s NOT an excuse. You either get treatment, or you get locked up. She is a user and she spreads hatred, intolerance and perverts truth and peace into lies and conflict. She IS a monster. But she’s also a completely irrelevant, talentless whore on the subject of ethic in gaming (and now ALL) journalism.

        • Cyberxion

          To be fair though, GamerGate really isn’t “targeting” anyone. These people continually hove themselves into our view and then proceed to behave like socially-stunted, self-serving nutters, and they almost all of them are hiding some seriously screwed up skeletons in their closets.

    • Jeremiah Nierras

      How this relates to #gamergate, I don’t have any idea. The narrative has left LW behind ever since it began. Let her fester in her own rot.

      • Donger

        Well EG was taken to court over the ZoePost and was served a restraining order while facing accusations of abuse.

        This source of this article seems to be in defense of EG where LW’s credibility can be questioned in court.

        It’s pretty safe to assume that LiterallyWho is trying to get back into the spotlight.

    • Axel Blaster

      Holy shit.

    • Claus Larsen

      Spacedad,

      Whatever people may think about this being just gossip or not, there is the question about the claim about the alleged killing of a person.

      1) Did Zoe Quinn claim to have killed a man?

      2) If so, did she report it to the police?

      3) If not, what reasons did she have?

      These questions need to be answered, by Zoe Quinn, because killing someone is a *very* serious issue that far outweigh any of the other issues raised by this “Gamergate” hullabaloo. If true, her killing a man could be in self-defense, or it could be straight-up murder. That is for the police to determine.

      So, we are looking at three scenarios:

      1) If Zoe Quinn never claimed this, then it is a rumor that needs to be stopped.

      2) If she has claimed to have killed a man, and it is not true, then it paints a very troubled image of Zoe Quinn. Lying about something as serious as killing a person does not bode well for her other claims.

      3) If she really has killed a man, without reporting it to the police, we are talking about a criminal act, that should be handled by the police, and nobody else.

      Do you acknowledge that this is an issue that needs to be resolved, by Zoe Quinn issuing a statement that covers this?

      • Claus Larsen

        I see (now) Ed posted emails that confirm that Zoe Quinn claimed to have killed a person.

        Do we know if she claimed to have reported it to the police?

    • This had more to reveal than the facebook post, interesting read, hope the word gets out so peeps can act accordingly.

    • Burn Ender

      Honestly, the police should investigate this. We already know about Quinns credibility, it speaks for itself. She’s currently using the courts to silence people, that speaks volumes to me. Until the police find something, I would just stay away from Quinn altogether. If the police find something and make an arrest, it makes everyone who defended her who look really bad.

      But for now, its all she said and speculatory, Quinn could claim she saw aliens and someone would believe her. I rather not have her dragged back into this unless its absolutely relevant. This is a very serious accusation being made here, not saying her admittance of a horrendous deed is a lie, its just an unsubstantiated claim without evidence she actually committed an abhorrent crime at the moment.

      I will wait for the facts to come out. Hopefully all of this was forwarded to the police so they can investigate and get to the bottom of this.

    • Amanda Childress

      It gets curiouser and curiouser.

    • I feel sorry for every unsuspecting person that’s had the misfortune to cross paths with Zoe Quinn.

    • jjramsey

      There were some interesting and relevant comments on this matter from Ally Fogg:

      As for Zoe Quinn, well again, supposing all the worst stories we have heard about her are true. Supposing she really did cheat on her boyfriend and sleep her way to a few good reviews of her game, Depression Quest. Suppose for a moment that every single journalist who has ever written something positive about her or her game had been in receipt of sexual favours…. well, so what? What is the worst thing that could happen as a consequence? How many people who spent money on her game off the back of a review now feel cheated and want their money back. Can I hazard a guess that the answer is somewhere in the vicinity of none?

      The truth, of course, is that when we step back and look objectively, even if the worst things alleged about these two women were true, it would not begin to explain the volume and temperature of the hostility towards them.

      From what I’ve understood, Quinn has receive rape and death threats, and that wouldn’t be acceptable even if she were the second coming of Hitler.

      • A Real Libertarian

        From what I’ve understood, Quinn has receive rape and death threats, and that wouldn’t be acceptable even if she were the second coming of Hitler.

        What relevance does that have?

        Lots of people in this on every side have received rape and death threats, why don’t you talk about that?

        Because this is just a lazy method of diminishing the other side.

        Hitler received death and rape threats too, does that mean Hitler is off limits to criticism?

        And if not, where is the line drawn?

        When does someone become so bad rape and death threats don’t provide a get-out-of-criticism free card?

        Is it Jimmy Savile? Ted Bundy? Pol Pot?

        How about Milo Yiannopoulos? Christina Hoff Sommers?

        I’d like an answer here.

        P.S. Before you scream “Godwin’s Law!” and declare victory remember, you brought in Hitler, not me.

        • jjramsey

          A Real Libertarian: “What relevance does that have?”

          Simple. #GamerGate has come to be about a bunch of gamers responding to Sarkeesian and Quinn with execrable behavior (instead of attempts at legit criticism), and that behavior can’t be excused no matter how wrong those women were. Given that, Nasrallah’s discussion of Quinn’s character seems irrelevant.

          • Cyberxion

            But it hasn’t. That’s YOUR narrative. That’s what you need people to believe GamerGate is, though I can only speculate as to why.

            I mean, not for nothin’, but GamerGate had literally nothing to do with Sarkeesian either before or after she inserted herself into it out of the blue by falsely characterizing the virtual reams of legitimate criticism she’d received for years prior to GamerGate as the work of GamerGate itself, which she did to gain more support for the little scam she’s running on folks. Seriously, if she’d quit falsely accusing us of everything from crucifying Jesus to being responsible for school shootings, nobody would pay her even the small amount of attention we do from time to time.

            As for Quinn, she was a tiny bit more relevant, but only inasmuch as what her relationship with Grayson had to say about the state of ethics in videogame journalism. Nobody gave a toss about her as an individual though, and she became even less relevant as we uncovered more and more dirt, such as the GameJournoPros e-mail list for example, amongst other journalistic improprieties.

            But no, Nasrallah’s discussion of Quinn’s character absolutely IS relevant. It renders questionable the veracity of those rape threats for one, which of course she attributes to GamerGate, and is also relevant to anyone who may be in a position to do business with the woman in the future. I’m not actually sure why you don’t recognize that, and why you’d dismiss completely pertinent information as irrelevant even as you appear to believe that your slander of GamerGate ought to be relevant in the slightest. It’s strange.

    • Jack

      It’s one thing to be hated on the internet – however murdering someone is a pretty huge claim; do we have any real proof other than the email and friend? Cause this is a whole different ball game…

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    • JenkPac Shakur

      Whatever revelations will be revealed in time what we at least know for now is that Zoe Quinn is a highly dangerous individual likely afflicted with one or more of the Cluster B Personality Disorders which include psychopathy (anti social personality disorder) and Borderline Personality Disorder. Eron Gjoni is a hero for exposing this monster to the world as if you heed his warnings you’ll stay away from her and thus avoid being murdered, given an STD or being cheated on by this highly dangerous social predator and chameleon.

    • fart stick

      anyone with half a brain can put one and one together and realize that this zoe person is a complete sociopath – a total lying cheating opportunistic whore. She has 0 credibility. Anyone at this point believing her lies has a chicken or a mouse brain, but definitely not a human brain.

    • akulkis

      Chelsea van Valenburg (AKA Zoe Quinn) exhibits practically every behavior associated with Borderline Personality Disorder. This story further confirms it.

    • Guest

      Guys am reading the FB post. “Mutilated vaginas” and “labiaplasty” made laugh so much, some of yesterday’s food came up my throat. This FB post reminded of late night stories my friends and I wrote back at college… when we were high, bored and there was NO internet. Also one of us was studying English major and the other (me) was a cartoonist.

    • Shang Tsung

      Is this the same Ed Clint who said he was a rapist, and I quote “many many times over” ?

      • 1. No. An absurd proposition was advanced, that sex had when anyone present has had any quantity of alcohol is de facto rape. I strongly disagreed with this ridiculous assertion that would criminalize sex had by every adult couple I know or have ever known. I said, sarcastically, to a person defending that position that if they believe that rubbish, then they should also believe most sexually active adults, including me, are rapists.
        2. I didn’t write this post, and apart from reposting it, have nothing to do with it.
        3. If you have nothing productive to contribute to the subject matter here, you are invited not to comment.

    • MSD

      And the son of a demented woman Ronan Farrow and every other extremist left blog has her painted as some victim/ Nice.

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    • Cyberxion

      FYI, at this point along the line, linking folks to the GamerGate Wikipedia article is the worst possible way to leave them informed. It had until recently been co-opted by a Wikipedia editor who abused his standing on the site to skew the article unfavorably against pro-ethics users of the GamerGate hashtag. For reasons unbeknownst to me he was really biased against us and even hated us from the start, going so far as to ban what he perceived to be pro-GamerGate editors from working on the article, and even accepting bribes from an anti-GamerGate sub on Reddit to ensure the article remained unfairly slanted against us.

      I do know that the editor in question was banned indefinitely for his conduct over the past several months just recently, but word has it that he’s abusing the system in order to essentially continue his work just the same. However, even if that’s not true, the simple fact remains that the article in its current state remains horribly skewed and not really at all fairly reflective of the matter of GamerGate as it has stood since the beginning. That might change over time, but I’d recommend against leading people there for the time being.

    • IHateFatChicks

      So, we’ve established she’s a pathological liar, a narcissistic sociopath and human garbage. Good to know!

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