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Posted by on Jun 17, 2013 in Featured Inc, Skeptic Ink News and Report | 164 comments

American Atheists Sued for Racial Discrimination, Wrongful Termination

A.J. Johnson, former director of development of American Atheists, is suing the national nonprofit for alleged racial discrimination and wrongful termination, according to a suit filed in New Jersey on May 2nd. Johnson was fired last September in spite of positive performance evaluations. She had distinguished herself as one of the chief organizers of the successful Reason Rally, many conference and media appearances including the programs The Young Turks and RT TV. Johnson also hired Amanda Knief and Teresa Macbain. It isn’t clear what cause American Atheists had for her termination.

EDIT: American Atheists has posted a reply at this url:  news.atheists.org/2013/06/17/johnson-response/

Discrimination and wrongful termination

The suit alleges that Johnson was “forced to listen to various racial jokes and was subjected to unprovoked, unwarranted, vicious and persistent verbal attacks on everything, including her competence.” It claims “unfounded complaints” against her competence and that this was in spite of excellent performance, citing “dramatically” increased donations which it was her job to solicit. It also indicates that Johnson, the sole African-American employee of American Atheists at the time, was “forced to support” a billboard stating “Slaves obey your masters” which she expressly disapproved of. The billboard caused controversy earlier this year when leaders of the NAACP and others called it “offensive and racially charged”. Further, it is alleged that Johnson was replaced with a less qualified person who is not a minority.

The filing seeks redress for wrongful termination under a New Jersey whistle-blower protection law which applies to employees suffering retaliation for objecting to a policy or practice that they “reasonably believe is a violation of the law, or a rule or regulation promulgated, pursuant to law.” The suit alleges that Johnson confronted American Atheists president David Silverman in June of 2012 about “what she believed to be evidence of him using organizational funds for personal trips.”

American Atheists has filed a reply to the lawsuit, however as of the time of this writing a copy of that reply has not been received.

Turmoil within?

A.J. Johnson

Johnson’s firing from American Atheists is just one of a rash of recent departures featuring unusual circumstances. Teresa MacBain moved on to join a smaller organization after just 6 months as public relations director. Other employees have left suddenly or under less-than-amicable circumstances. For example, Bridget Gaudette was allegedly dismissed as Florida state director for her involvement in Secular Woman, an organization seeking to “amplify the voice, presence, and influence of non-religious women”. Silverman claimed that Gaudette’s involvement represented a conflict of interest. Gaudette and Johnson had protested the firing, calling it unfair. Many organizations like American Atheists have policies restricting possible conflicts of interest, but application of this rule by American Atheists appears inconsistent. Amanda Knief is both managing director to American Atheists and also sits on the American Humanists Association board of directors. Zachary Bos is American Atheists state director for Massachusetts as well as co-chair of the Secular Coalition for America’s Massachusetts branch.

Other departures include American Atheists’ director of Outreach Blair Scott who resigned in December citing “infighting: at every level” within the atheist movement. [Edit: Blair Scott remains on the board of directors of American Atheists and remains a supporter of the organization, as he articulated in this podcast around minute 39]  Kentucky state director Ed Hensley also quit suddenly, and rumors suggest he was discontented with American Atheists. Hensley has not commented publicly* about leaving American Atheists, but this list represents a significant amount of talent departing American Atheists in a relatively short time. It might also represent a different sort of loss.

Withering diversity?

Last July, Silverman boasted that since he became the president of American Atheists, “every hire and board appointment” has been a woman. This is no longer the case. The organization appears to be losing gender, sexual, and racial diversity. African-American former employee of American Atheists A.J. Johnson and former state director Bridget Gaudette have both been replaced with white men. According to their website, Nick Fish has officially taken over as development director and Ken Loukinen (erstwhile director of state/regional operations)  and John Porgal are now the two Florida state directors as well. American Atheists hired Dave Muscato to replace Teresa MacBain, leaving just one woman among its national directors.

Supporting secular women
The lawsuit comes at an unexpected time, as David Silverman has recently received kudos from some members of the secular community for supporting secular women and feminist ideals. One blogger has called him the “Golden man for Secularism and Feminism”, stating that Silverman has shown leadership by “standing with women as allies”. At least one recent event may cast some doubt on American Atheists’ commitment to supporting and empowering female leaders in the secular community.

American Atheists is making national headlines with its announcement that it will erect an atheist monument at a Florida courthouse later this month as part of the settlement of a lawsuit. That suit was filed in protest of a 10 commandments monument at the same courthouse, which will remain there. According to Digital Journal coverage, the original protest and lawsuit effort were lead by Bridget Gaudette. The new monument will be dedicated later this month, but the official event page  makes no mention of Gaudette, who would have been expected to at least be listed among those present if not speaking herself. Since Gaudette is no longer an employee, it is reasonable to assume that her omission was not intentional, but discussion following news of the dedication ceremony revealed that she had asked American Atheists for acknowledgement and was denied.

Gaudette on Facebook

While Gaudette is no longer with American Atheists, she remains a leader in the secular community and without her there would be no atheist monument. It is not clear why American Atheists’ “golden man for secularism and feminism” explicitly denied her the support and credit for her efforts.

* Since publishing, Hensley has responded (see comments) and has said that he was not and is not discontented with the organization.

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  • Atheist Loki

    Why does every minority that gets fired from their job automatically claims that it is unwarranted and it’s only because they are a minority? Could it be because you’re a pain in the ass and cause more problems than you solve? In everyone’s opinion about themselves, they are the best thing since sliced bread and never see their own faults. If I ever get fired from my job I’m going to sue because they obviously did it just because I’m a white man.

    • Edward Gemmer

      No doubt, discrimination against minorities is practically unheard of.

      • Atheist Loki

        Indeed smart ass, but I guess an employer has no justification to fire a minority employee at anytime for any reason. Get fucked, will you?

        • http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous Edward Clint

          Personal insults and crude slights are contrary to our discussion policy. Please observe the terms or refrain from commenting.

        • Edward Gemmer

          An employer can’t fire an employee for any reason. That was made law in the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Blame Martin Luther King if you want to blame someone for employees having a cause of action against their employers due to racist acts. Anyway, it seems pretty clear from the article that there are facts alleged besides “AJ Johnson was a black person who was fired.”

          • http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous Edward Clint

            Atheist Loki seems unwilling to temper his or her comments. I have removed one and I will delete more if necessary.

          • Atheist Loki

            So there is no freedom of speech here? Is this an offshoot of ftbullies?

          • http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous Edward Clint

            This forum exists to foster and promote civil discourse. It is not the place for personal invective and insults. If you find that too limiting, I would suggest you stick to one of the many, many websites that have no such restrictions or to create your own.

          • Atheist Loki

            So far, all this forum exists for is to demonize the AA with no evidence. Good job.

          • http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous Edward Clint

            I heard David Silverman on the radio show the other day. He was asked if allegations against him should be taken seriously. He said that they should. So I am taking his advice. I have asserted no conclusions without evidence, nor do I advise anyone else to do so. There are claims and a lawsuit and I think they should be known and discussed, as Mr. Silverman has himself indicated. I do not condone anyone leaping to definitive conclusions.

          • Atheist Loki

            Montana is the only state in the nation with a law saying you can only be fired for just cause. Otherwise, you live in an at-will state. That means you can be fired for any reason or no reason at all.

            How simple it is to use Google these days. Man your whole comment is a load of bs. Good job. Feels like I’m talking to a fundie. You’re basing your whole argument off the only three facts publicly know. Which are, she’s a black woman who was fired. That’s it. To make up your mind that AA is automatically at fault of some kind of wrong doing is just complete ignorance.

          • Edward Gemmer

            “At-will” employment is typically the rule where there is no contract or union, but that means you can be fired without any reason being given at all. The burden is on Johnson to prove she was fired due to race. Further, obviously this cause of action exists, or else she would have no lawsuit, so you might want to brush up on your Google skills.

          • Atheist Loki

            I blow your entire argument out of the water and you come back with and equivalent argument of ‘Nu-uh’? You lose sir.

          • Edward Gemmer

            Yes, I’m sure you are right. The civil rights movement was probably a figment of my imagination. Malcolm X must be sort of like the Easter Bunny. Lyndon Johnson is assuredly Santa Claus.

          • Atheist Loki

            Lets look at what you said shall we?
            You: “An employer can’t fire an employee for any reason.”
            That is 100% wrong unless you are in Montana. In the event that an individual is under a contract, then said individual must violate a term of the contract to be fired. If the employer terminates the contract early, they must pay a fee to the employee.
            You: “Anyway, it seems pretty clear from the article that there are facts alleged besides “AJ Johnson was a black person who was fired.”
            There is nothing clear in the article that she was wrongfully fired and/or just fired for being a black woman.

          • Edward Gemmer

            I’m saying that your understanding of the law is poor. Every state has different laws regarding employment. All states within the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (and all other federal laws). According to this law, an employer may not fire someone due to race (or various other reasons). That’s why she has a cause of action – if she proves her case, she wins. If that law didn’t exists, it wouldn’t matter if she proved her case or not – she would have nothing to win.

          • Atheist Loki

            I hope you never ever on a jury. You seem like the kind of person who would want to cast you verdict after the opening statements.

          • http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous Edward Clint

            I’m not sure why this is confusing for you. These two statements are true about New Jersey:
            A. You can fire an at-will employee for no reason.
            B. You can not fire a person specifically because they are black (or other minority).

            If you are someone who did B, then A does not apply, because you did have a reason. If a person alleges B, they must prove it in a court of law with evidence.

          • Atheist Loki

            I don’t know what is confusing you. All I am sayin is, “There is no evidence, at this point in time, to prove that is the only reason she was fired.” Is that better?

          • http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous Edward Clint

            Has anyone claimed there is that evidence? I’ve announced a lawsuit’s filing, not its conclusion.

          • Atheist Loki

            I don’t have any issue with your article. It is very well written. My problem is the people who have already dertermined that the AA did fire her for just being a black woman.

          • MosesZD

            I read your arguments. They’re wrong. You can fire ‘at-will,’ but if you take a proscibed action (such as a racial firing) you lose that defense. Further, if by your actions or statements, you only fire employees for ’cause,’ you lose your ‘at will’ defense.
            In short, you heard the term and ran with it. All without understanding it’s a metric-ton more complex than your entirely sophomoric views.

          • Atheist Loki

            There is no evidence that the firing was racially motivated. You obviously didn’t look into what ‘at-will’ actually means. So why don’t you do some real research and get back to me. Your freshman tactics are disappointing at best.

          • wildlifer

            Actually, it depends on what state – At-will employment. In some states people can be fired without cause or explanation.

            “[A]n employer may terminate its employees at will, for any or no reason
            … the employer may act peremptorily, arbitrarily, or inconsistently,
            without providing specific protections such as prior warning, fair
            procedures, objective evaluation, or preferential reassignment … The
            mere existence of an employment relationship affords no expectation,
            protectable by law, that employment will continue, or will end only on
            certain conditions, unless the parties have actually adopted such terms.”

            Guz v. Bechtel National, Inc., 24 Cal. 4th 317, 8 P.3d 1089, 100 Cal. Rptr. 2d 352 (2000

    • http://skepticink.com/justinvacula/ Justin Vacula

      The lawsuit is filed. The court date (or deal outside of court or something else) will happen. If the charges are backed with sufficient evidence, we will see that the charges are warranted. Time will tell one way or another.

      • Atheist Loki

        Thank you for saying something that is actually honest.

      • Edward Gemmer

        Time will tell. However, I find it odd that no one on the SJW side of things finds much interest in this lawsuit.

      • Angela Ryan

        Are you the same Justin Vacula that debated Dan Fincke? And attended the Women in Secularism seminar? If so, it is a great pleasure to meet you and tell you that you are exactly what secular feminists are fighting. Go join the Christians–they have plenty of room for misogynists. Our movement must be one of free thought and humanism–whereby we are able to improve this world as no religion has ever been able to. There is just no room for bigotry or sexism. So–move along.

        • http://skepticink.com/justinvacula/ Justin Vacula

          Bigotry? Sexism? Misogyny? Huh?

        • Dylan Ringwood

          You are hilarious. You’re a poe, right?

          • Angela Ryan

            No…not a poe. No poe’s law here…a little sarcasm…but not a poe.

          • aweraw

            Please elaborate on why Brave Sir Vacula is “exactly what secular feminists are fighting against”. Be sure to provide citations of his alledgedly rampant biggotry and sexism, while you’re at it.

            kthxbye

        • Atheist Loki

          “What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.”

        • MosesZD

          Wow, another unthinking bigot from FtB. You people are drowning the kool-aid.

    • MosesZD

      Why does every minority that gets fired from their job automatically claims that it is unwarranted and it’s only because they are a minority?

      Fuckng racist much do you? It’s rather rare.

  • Richard Sanderson

    I would have had my doubts about this. However, given Silverman’s recent double standards and performance talking to Justin Vacula, I have other ideas.

    • ool0n

      Guilt by association to “#FTBullies” now then… No problems there.

      However hard to comment when its all “allegedly” but I’m not looking kindly on AA or Silvermans leadership given these allegations. Far worse than Ron Lindsays failing that could be solved with an apology IMO. This isn’t something that can be easily fixed with an apology.

      • Richard Sanderson

        My point was about applying Silverman’s rather lax standards of evidence during his internview with Vacula, and this.

      • MosesZD

        You know, it’s not all about you. In fact, it was about two things that Silverman and Silverman only did:

        1. Bullying Vacula and

        2. When pressed, his refusing to look at the conduct both sides objectively.

        His conduct. His shame. Nothing to do with self-important apologist trolls who always make it about themselves and their obsession with the Slymepit.

        • ool0n

          Well here’s the thing… tu quoque .. tu quoque… tu fucking quoque. I’m in serious danger of getting boring, ok more boring Moses :P

          I’ll try again… Two criminals in the dock for crimes against each other and the court will listen to the evidence for each separately and sentence each separately. Not say ok guys its quits as you are both assholes now run along. So things done one side need to be condemned and things done the other side are irrelevant to that “trial”. Get it?

          Silverman asked him to stand up against things *his* “side” have done. Like many my “side” I’d think a lot more of him if he wasn’t tu quoque’ing his arse off to minimise anything wrong his “side” does. It would be the morally superior and intellectually more honest position. Some manage it like Rousseau on this network and admired by both “sides”… Or I think he is? Damion makes a stab at it from time to time, like his AVfM stance and RW is A-OK post.

          All it needs is an acknowledgement that not *everything* thrown FTBs way is deserved. Ophelia for instance, why not leave her alone as she often asks? Justin etc are constantly going about how irrelevant she is, so why not leave her to her blogging and writing?

          • http://skepticink.com/backgroundprobability/ Damion Reinhardt

            Just to change things up, I’m going to agree with James. Why not just leave her alone? So long as she’s not writing about me, I’m not writing about her. I might include her in a storify, but only if her contribution is essential to the story.

      • SleeZee Lyers

        You have to admut, it will be interesting to see the reaction of the #FTBulles and of Rebecca Watson, especially after they just tossed CFI overboard today for much much less.

        Will they back Silverman and AA the same as privileged white feminists backed Bill Clinton?

        Will they go after Johnson and attack her claims as false, or attack her character?

        What do you think and are you willing to bet on it?

        • ool0n

          Well if they do attack Johnson I’ll be proving my #FTBullies critical faculties to Rich. Miri on Brute Reason and commenters have mentioned it as “extreme controversy”… But cannot see anything explicit, I guess it is early days and all “alleged”.

          I’d bet on being critical based on the outcome of the trial and circumspect until then. Got odds?

          • KacyRay

            It is possible to take a dissenting position without attacking people.

          • ool0n

            Err, yes… And?

      • Edward Gemmer

        Question oolon. Where are the responses to this among the great atheoblogosphere. This seems like a pretty big deal – actual legal allegations of racism against a pretty big atheist group. The silence about this is…odd. Considering people went on for years about elevators and currently go on an on about Ron Lindsay – I don’t understand the silence here.

        • ool0n

          Allegations… You said it. So hard to comment without prejudicing the outcome and not a lot can be said anyway other than if true then its pretty shitty?

          • Edward Gemmer

            I agree – however, whole barrels of internet ink were spills about Ron Lindsay and many, many, many other topics. I haven’t even seen anyone talking about this except for here, which is odd given the subject. This doesn’t even deserve a mention, even a neutral one?

          • ool0n

            Seems they made a good move in not making an announcement -> http://news.atheists.org/2013/06/17/johnson-response/

            Now people are saying it looks like Ed posted this article as “retaliation” for Silverman denouncing Vacula. Bit like it looked like Rebecca Watson picked Ed out in her post on people not understanding drunk sex and rape tweet post because of his Ev-Psych takedown. Neither is necessarily true, just what it looks like… I’d warn both sides on making assumptions that require telepathy to determine the truth of.

          • http://skepticink.com/backgroundprobability/ Damion Reinhardt

            “I’d warn both sides on making assumptions that require telepathy to determine the truth of.”
            Good god, I’m going to agree with James twice today.

          • ool0n

            Pfft, think of me and my cred over at Baboon central.

          • http://skepticink.com/backgroundprobability/ Damion Reinhardt

            Shit! Sorry about that, man.

          • MosesZD

            Allegations for thee, but not for me?
            (Or in this case Vacula and every single Slymepitter (all 100-or-so active members) or other person who doesn’t buy off on the FtB SJW horseshit and must suffer the stings and arrows of FtB and it’s SJW crowd as they libel and slander the fuck out of people.)

            Your double standards have now reached epic proportions and you sir shall be the God-King of trolls having raised yourself, through unhealthy obsession, to sit at the right hand of Zeus.

          • ool0n

            How do they slander or libel a group…? Please point me to the legal case where christians have won damages for atheists saying they are all morons or culpable for Savita etc etc etc….

            The Slymepit says harassment is not real unless there is a police report, I don’t agree but I’m sure they hold to that principle here as well? In fact slander and libel are specific legal terms so where is the lawsuit Moses?

          • KacyRay

            I didn’t realize the Slymepit “said” anything. Who exactly speaks for the Pit?

          • ool0n

            Riiight KacyRay so now its verboten to refer to a group “having” opinion X when the vast majority hold it? So we cannot refer to Christians “saying” X,Y or Z without listing them by name!

            They position themselves as a group, holding fast against the evilz “FTBullies” and they hold majority opinions. Please show how it is not the case that the majority hold this view rather than try some lame “gotcha” that one out of the 100 or so active members disagrees. You don’t provide any evidence this is the case and my shorthand to refer to that group and the prevailing opinion holds.

          • KacyRay

            I think the only prevailing opinion at the pit is that the feminism being endorsed by the Watson/Myers faction is destructive and divisive. Other than that, I don’t think there are any prevailing opinions about anything at all.

            Of course, I don’t know, since I haven’t visited it in almost a year and I never went there very much to begin with.

            What I do know is that you asserted that “The Slymepit says harassment is not real unless there is a police report,” That is YOUR contention, and it’s not my job to disprove or provide evidence that your contention is false.

            In my brief moments visiting the Pit, I do distinctly remember it being a place of diverging thoughts and ideas. And I don’t remember once hearing any unanimous or even “prevailing” opinion on what constitutes actual harassment.

            But I sure do recognize the FTB modus operandi when I see it, and you are clearly the perfect product of FTB commentator conditioning. First you make a contention about your intellectual opponents, then when called on it, you demand evidence falsifying your proposition while relinquishing the responsibility of supporting it to begin with.

            Bravo. Your FTB brethren would be proud.

          • ool0n

            Hehe, well I was objecting to the “no one speaks for the Slymepit” bullshit, which clearly is. My contention there was that if the majority of the group agree with something then its fair to say “christians say…. Jesus died for your sins” for example without being inaccurate. But hey don’t let that get in the way of another lame “Gotcha!”.

            As for my original claim, I’ve posted that on the pit as their position and no one objected or disagreed. Not perfect but a majority opinion… Yes, seemingly. I’ve also repeated it to many pitters on threads where they are around and none of them disagree it is their position. They are constantly saying that threats online are meaningless and if person X took them seriously then they would have gone to the police. So never mind Kacy, bit of a wasteful derail, given you made no point.

          • http://skepticink.com/backgroundprobability/ Damion Reinhardt

            I doubt whether it is likely that anyone here can come up with an example of someone within the freethought movement seriously affirming that harassment isn’t a real thing unless the police are involved in the reporting process.

  • Dylan Ringwood

    So if we are to apply David Silverman’s reasoning here, AA is a bastion of privileged racist misogynists. They should immediately accept culpability. Why doesn’t David Silverman denounce AA?

    • Dave

      He clearly needs to rise above the shit. But also own it. Because he is mired in it and it won’t take a couple of weeks to climb out.

      Also, something about good news.

      • SleeZee Lyers

        The good news is this lawsuit is an enormous growth opportunity for him. He needs to shut up and listen.

  • MosesZD

    Vacula must denounce… ;)
    Also, I find it amusing that Myers is whole-hog into AA and has self-reported his making a ‘life time membership’ contribution to them considering these allegations.

  • John Sargeant

    As the blogger who made the pun on Silverman’s name can I give the context which was regarding the appalling trolling of secular women via Twitter/internet which David was attacking via Twitter at that moment:

    “[David Silverman] has shown exactly what we all wanted Ronald Lindsay to have done unequivocally at Women in Secularism 2. Show backbone, and upfront leadership standing with women as allies at the trolls out there who intimidate, ridicule, and harass women in the feminist movement. Clearly he welcomes critical measured responses. Victimisation of others is unacceptable.”

    I will watch what happens regarding the lawsuit with interest and try not to prejudge till the court gives a conclusion or an amicable agreement is reached.

  • Edward Gemmer

    Are you shitting me? So the company line from PZ Myers is to support the group that is being sued for racial discrimination over the group that held a conference for secular women?

    • Eshto

      PZ and friends are rarely consistent in their application of their professed standards. “Blah blah supporting women”, then they are completely awful to any woman who doesn’t agree with them on some minor point. This isn’t about feminism or humanism or anything else. It’s just jerks being jerks.

    • ool0n

      Fuck off Edward, I only just heard about this so criticism of PZ’s donation is pretty pathetic given it was days ago. Your desperation to smear is showing…

      • Pitchguest

        You really shouldn’t be the one to talk about “butthurt”, Chester. Tell us more about your gripe with the Slymepit. Go on.

        • ool0n

          Okay, just for you… I don’t have one. Sorry but its the truth, I wasn’t banned there or treated particularly badly given I was purposely trying to wind people up at the end. Being doxxed and threatened didn’t bother me, I expected that sort of reaction. No one likes people disagreeing with them or being overtly out-group in their safe-space. Slymepitters want their safe-space or club of like minded people the same as everyone.

          My point of the trolling the Slymepit post on my blog was to show that the pitters when *very* mildly “trolled”, you could hardly call it that as I was very open, react badly. They threaten and dogpile and make shit up to try and get rid of you — all the things they accuse the Pharyngula commenters of. But they *never* get trolls. Unlike Pharyngula. http://www.oolon.co.uk/?p=94

          I’m not a big fan of pointing out hypocrisy as its everyones vice but criticising FTB/Skepchicks etc for “feeding the trolls” when they “should ignore them” is a bit rich given my post above. Your “side” cannot follow its own advice.

      • Atheist Loki

        And what bullshit would that be? Not passing judgement without evidence? Wow, what a bullshit course to take.

        • ool0n

          “Why does every minority that gets fired from their job automatically claims that it is unwarranted and it’s only because they are a minority?”

          That’s out and out racist in its inaccuracy … How about you support your extraordinary claim that *every* minority does this? Its clear you have an agenda here given you think like that and its not a pleasant one. Many criticise Pharyngula but between you and Dylan “racial IQ gap” Ringwood this thread has degenerated into unpleasant racism which is being met with far too much civility for my liking. [Although again Edwards made a good job of showing you up]

          Unfortunately given the AA rebuttal it seems AJ might be in the wrong, even more unfortunately you’ll add that to the confirmation bias driving your apparent overt racism.

          • Atheist Loki

            Lol, how is that racist? It’s a true problem that employers have to do deal with. Minorities in America have big pull when it comes to lawsuits against former employers, and they know it. And all too often they use that pull to sue someone just because they can. If she had any real justification for the lawsuit, it would be there. All she has is ‘I was fired for being a black woman and I was made to listen to racial jokes.’ How is any free thinking person forced to listen to anything?
            I will admit that using the word ‘every’ was a poor choice. I don’t know who Dylna is and I don’t support the ‘racial IQ gap’ comment.

          • Dylan Ringwood

            Are you disputing that there is a difference in average IQ scores between ethnic groups? What about the average gender/racial difference in SAT scores? The fact is that such gaps do exist, and they are significant. Why they exist can be debated, and the gaps may be shrinking, but that the gaps exist is not something there is any reasonable argument over. http://www.gifted.uconn.edu/siegle/research/correlation/intelligence.pdf

          • ool0n

            It is clearly racist to assert *all* minorities *use* their disadvantaged position mendaciously. Even if, as you now seem to be implying, it was just poor word choice it’s still racist. You are perpetuating racist opinions with your “mistake” and would apologise if not your intent.

            Furthermore your new position is also pretty damn racist because with no evidence on how often minorities “cry foul” you still choose to focus on that “being a problem for employers”… Well hey how about systemic racism disadvantaging PoC! We know that exists and is a serious problem unlike your “cry foul” fantasy which could be anything from 0.001% to X … Somehow this is more important to you though, I wonder why.

            And apologies to the moderation policy here but fuck anyone that thinks PoC *should* have to put up with racist jokes at work. Fuck anyone that thinks gay people should have to put up with homophobic jokes at work. Fuck anyone that thinks women have to put up with sexist jokes at work. In short … **** you Loki with your disgustingly twisted view of “freethinking” peoples attitude to bigotry. Seriously.

          • Atheist Loki

            I would like you to point out where I said that anyone HAS to put up with anything at any time . You just want to hate me so bad that you can’t see the forest for the trees. You don’t live in this country and I doubt that you actually know two shits about what goes on here.
            People need to take responsibility for their own lives and work to make their own way, and not expect to just be handed everything to them because of their station in life. She has no case against the AA and she knows it. But here in America, people are afraid to take on a minority individual in court, especially in a claim as vague as ‘wrongful termanation’.
            So, go stick your head back into your ass. Your twisted view of judging everyone who doesn’t agree with you is what is sick.
            Here are some examples for you. Enjoy.

            Racial names do not justify slapping customer.
            A white customer suspected of shoplifting was escorted to a security area for questioning. The customer’s white friend then barged into the area, cursing at the store employees, one of whom was Black. She used the N-word toward the Black store employee, who reacted by slapping the verbally abusive customer in the face. The police were called and both customers were arrested. The store then fired the employee for having slapped the customer, in violation of its no-violence policy and no-physical-contact-with-customers policy. The fired employee filed a Title VII race-discrimination case, alleging that Kmart was promoting a racially hostile environment and “ratifying hate speech” by firing the victim of harassment. The court ruled against the employee. The customer’s behavior was clearly harassing and improper. However, the store took prompt action to have the police remove the offender. The company had policies on how to deal with customers for these situations and how to raise complaints without escalating a situation. Slapping a customer was against policy and not warranted by a verbal situation. The employee’s escalation to the physical level was unwarranted and justified discharge. Lee v. Kmart Corp. (D. Minn., 2012).

            Hostile supervisor loses discharge case.
            A Cuban-born manager filed national-origin and race-discrimination cases under Title VII and 42 U.S. Code §1981 after he was discharged. The evidence showed that the manager’s employees filed complaints about his supervisory behaviors. The evidence was that he yelled and swore at employees, used a “brutal and belittling manner,” demeaned them as they were dealing with customers, and generally “created a fearful environment.” When human resources met with him about these concerns, the manager refused to acknowledge any of the issues and expressed that he would not change his management style. He was fired as a result. The court found valid reason for the discharge and no evidence of any similarly situated non-Latino manager. The only other managers who were cautioned about rough supervisory behaviors had immediately recognized issues, expressed a sincere interest in change and corrected the behaviors, instead of digging in their heels and refusing to acknowledge the concerns. The manager’s case was dismissed. Martinez v. W.W. Granger, Inc. (8th Cir., 2012).

          • ool0n

            You have real problems with words it seems ->

            “All she has is ‘I was fired for being a black woman and I was made to listen to racial jokes.’ How is any free thinking person forced to listen to anything?”

            It is a work environment, how is it even appropriate to be making jokes about race at work? What has being a “free thinking” person got to do with it!

            Your examples are funny, two out of how many claims? Even if they were terrible examples of the evilz minorities taking advantage of the system how is that relevant? You are willing to throw any minority under the bus with a presumption of them gaming the system and that is what I object to. Its clearly racist.

          • Atheist Loki

            You are missing the point entirely. When someon makes the claim ‘I was forced to listen to (fill in the blank)’ it’s total bullshit. Everyone has to ability to leave the hostile environment and report the harassing behavior to the proper authority. I don’t see anywhere that she ever reported any such behavior…odd.
            When did I ever say that it’s appropriate to be making jokes about race at work? You sure do enjoy putting words in my mouth. You must be a real atheism+ superstar.
            If you want more examples, look them up your damn self. Last I checked, I’m not your bitch.
            I’m not willing to ‘throw any minority under the bus’. I will throw anyone under the bus when they are trying to scam a pay check.

          • ool0n

            You are full of it, her being forced is through it being allowed at her workplace (Assuming its true) … Might be easy for you to walk out of your job? She is not required to report it there and then, if people back her up then surely then you won’t instantly deny?

            The only rational position is to say you don’t know. I’m not asserting she is correct and AA is completely wrong BTW. I’m objecting to your paper thin rationalisations for jumping to the conclusion she is lying… For example the fact of her being a “minority”.

          • Atheist Loki

            I never made the claim she is 100% lying, or for that matter, AA is 100% innocent. When someone files a lawsuit and the only claims are ‘wrongful termination’ and ‘racial discrimination’ with no evidence to back it up, i.e. filing a complaint(s) with H.R., red flags go up. Not to mention that if she was so ‘offended’ by the billboard, then where is the written complaint about that and why did she write such a supportive email soliciting for it? I don’t know where you live, or what you do for work, but in the corporate world, there are clear steps to be taken when it comes to the very ‘issues’ she is suing about. You keep dewlling on the word ‘minority’, as if you’ll trick in revealing my membership in the Klu Klux Klan or something. I really don’t care what a persons race or sex is. If David Silverman himself were the one suing for wrongful termination with nothing to back it up, I’d still call bullshit.

  • bluharmony

    Excellent piece.

  • f_galton

    Hilarious.

  • Angela Ryan

    It is unfortunate that an organization like AA would resort to such medieval tactics. Women like myself who are progressive atheist feminists will not stand for such bigotry and misogyny. We are furious with this kind of behavior. Those people with the old school idea that women are not going to be equals have something else coming. We are here. The feminist movement is awake and in full swing. We want the men to join us, but if you don’t, then beware. We aren’t going to be placated this time. Silverman should be replaced with a human capable of leading the AA with a true understanding of human equality.

    • Atheist Loki

      Where’s your proof that the AA did anything wrong. You have no evidence against David Silverman and yet here you are demanding his job. What’s your next move? Are you going to prove the bible is true because it says so in the bible?

    • MosesZD

      Are you trying to Poe? Or are you really this unthinking?
      I find humor in this situation. The humor coming from PZ Myers who normally runs a scorched earth policy with allegations far less than this is, last I checked, doing NOTHING regarding this news because Silverman the Asshole Showboater dumped on Vacula who Myers put on his enemies list for no reason but he needed another enemy for his SJW movement.
      AS for joining feminism. Not your kind. I have no need to join the unthinking hate movement that is gender feminism. I will stay with my wife, daughters, mother, aunts, brother, sister and most of my cousins (male or female) in EQUITY FEMINISM. Where we deal with real problems, real facts, real data and real solutions for EVERYONE.

  • SleeZee Lyers

    It will be interesting to see the reaction of the #FTBulles and of Rebecca Watson, especially after they just tossed CFI overboard today for much much less.

    Will they back Silverman and AA the same as privileged white feminists backed Bill Clinton?

    Will they go after Johnson and attack her claims as false, or attack her character?

  • Atheist Loki

    I love the way you atheism plus brain washed twats automatically assume AA did something wrong, with zero evidence for or against either party, just because it’s a black woman. You are the worst kind of atheists. You blindly tow the line of atheism plus and make no decisions of your own anymore.

  • Angela Ryan

    Atheist Loki–you seem like a seriously angry person. As a secular humanist, I am not willing to engage in your type of condescending discourse. However, I stand by my previous statement. If AA wants to keep the many feminist atheists in its supporting ranks, then they had better do a much better job of filling positions with as many men as there are women–equality across the board. The days of pretending to embrace equality and then turning around and filling positions with only men is completely ludicrous. The AA should know better. Period.

    • Dylan Ringwood

      Equality of opportunity is not equality of representation.

      • Angela Ryan

        Perhaps we should repeal the unspoken rule of “white, 6 foot tall & played college ball” so we could get on with actual equality of representation. It’s hard to accept it, but it is the only explanation for so many incompetent, white men in preferential positions across all aspects of American hierarchy. It’s racist and sexist and the AA must be above that.

        • Dylan Ringwood

          “It’s hard to accept it, but it is the only explanation for so many incompetent, white men in preferential positions across all aspects of American hierarchy”

          Does it also explain the racial IQ gap? Does it explain male’s higher SAT scores? There are many factors that play into the resulting racial and gender stratification of society. Undoubtedly, discrimination is one of those factors, but it is much more complex than you seem to think.

          • http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous Edward Clint

            I am familiar with no racial IQ gap. Differing SAT scores could have many sociological causes unrelated to which type of gonads are present.

          • Dylan Ringwood

            Sure… it’s possible that the gender gap in SAT scores (as well as the racial gap in SAT scores) could be the result of “”the unspoken rule of “white, 6 foot tall & played college ball”" but I would say that hypothesis is far from convincing.

            That there is a gap is not in dispute. And the score are highly predictive of significant life outcomes.

          • Atheist Loki

            They don’t care about facts, or at least any facts that deny their position. Hmm…Who else does that?

          • Dylan Ringwood

            I’ll drop this, but my basic point was just that under representation of a group in a particular area of society is not, in and of itself, evidence of discrimination.

          • Angela Ryan

            I am happy to see a guy with some objectivity. Good for you Edward.

          • Angela Ryan

            Your stats are dead wrong. In recent studies women have overtaken men in IQ average scores. No worries, I wouldn’t expect anything less from someone who is convinced men are the deserved winner of all things great while the colored folks and simple little women should happily take the scraps they are thrown. I hope you are not a fellow humanist. If so, I encourage you to study up some more and give equality a harder look.

        • Atheist Loki

          You still have yet to prove they did anything wrong. Just sayin.

          • http://skepticink.com/justinvacula/ Justin Vacula

            Charges are filed. Time will tell one way or another.

    • Atheist Loki

      Put your money where your mouth is and apply for a job at AA and cure them of the the problems you claim they have. And I am angry that people like you go around and vilify people with no evidence of wrong doing.

  • vexorian

    Wow, look at the comments so far.

    “So, there is a racial discrimination lawsuit going on against AA. But the important question is: How can this benefit me and my misogynistic ways?”

    “Hey, I know that this could mean there are racism issues in AA, But let us talk about the REAL crime: Not taking Justin Vacula seriously”

    • Atheist Loki

      What?

    • Edward Gemmer

      Yes, you’ve got us. Firing someone based on their race or gender is, you know, understandable. But speaking to a group and saying you aren’t a fan of telling people to shut up? UNFORGIVABLE SIN AGAINST AN ENTIRE GENDER.

      • Atheist Loki

        Still no evidence that is the only reason she was fired, except for her word. Say, have you heard the word of Jesus? He does some cool stuff in this book.

        • Edward Gemmer

          I have no idea whether what she alleges is true. I’m going off the same info you are. However, it seems like a pretty big deal. My knowledge of Johnson is such that she doesn’t seem like one to claim she is a victim at every turn in life. The way Gaudette was treated also seems poor.

          • Atheist Loki

            So you are going off no actual information, and are siding with her just in case it turns out to be true?

          • Edward Gemmer

            I’m going off the article presented, which had lots of information.

          • Atheist Loki

            The summary of the information in the article is this, “I was fired because I’m a black woman.” The end.

          • TCC

            Lots of information, notably from only one side. But I guess it’s a skeptical thing to evaluate only a portion of the available data, right?

        • wildlifer

          How dare you question the honesty of a woman? She said that’s why she was fired so you need to check your privilege and quit victim blaming before you convince us you’re a misogynist racist-rape culture enabler. /pz channeling stop

          • Atheist Loki

            Fuck me right? I guess I’m stuck in that old American way of thinking that says, “Innocent until proven guilty”. Fuck the Constitution and Due Proccess of Law.

          • MosesZD

            Which is why people get run out of FtB. Facts, data, truth, presumption of innocence… None of that matters.
            It’s also why people are dog-piling on Siverman over this. Because he too played that game with Vacula. Facts, truth and presumption of innocence were thrown out the window and Vacula was made to dance to get the interview then abused by a showboating asshole during the interview.
            The issue is hypocrisy. AA has feet of clay and it’s leader shouldn’t be throwing stones at others.

      • vexorian

        In your mental world, as #FTBullies and AA are part of the anti-men conspiracy (Which involves outrageous things such as DARING to expect white men to stop talking while listening a minority talk), then the #FTBullies are surely going to stand behind AA. So you are expecting them to cover this up and not speak against AA (If the accusation turns out to be true). It will work so wonderfully for you! You must be thinking. For once you will be able to claim the moral high horse.

        The reality might disappoint you though.

        • Dylan Ringwood

          “Which involves outrageous things such as DARING to expect white men to stop talking while listening a minority talk”

          I agree that is an outrageous thing to expect. Maybe people should get their privilege checked by an independent privilege checker who can then provide them with their privileged ranking badge that they would be required to wear at all times. That way the cis white guys will know to shut up when the inter-sexed white guys are speaking. It would really help to clear up the privilege confusion surrounding all of the mixed race people. I mean should a white/asian guy shut up when a white/hispanic guy is talking? Is white male and gay more privileged than black cis and straight?

          • http://skepticink.com/backgroundprobability/ Damion Reinhardt

            Speaking as a white/hispanic guy, I want everyone to shut up and listen.

        • Edward Gemmer

          I’m not expecting them to do anything. I’m wondering why they haven’t picked this up.

          • Atheist Loki

            FTBullies are just like the church. They go to where the money is and hide when shit hits the fan.

  • Atheist Loki

    How many white people have been fired from AA? Oh wait, that’s not controversial so no one cares.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/girlwriteswhat/videos Astrokid MHRA

      What did you expect?

      I am a “person of colour” myself living in the US now, and I found this whole pushback against racism/sexism/etc way out of proportion..in real life itself, i.e before this shit began in the atheist community.

      People on the Right & Libertarians have been warning about this for a long time, but Nope.. they cant be right on any issue, can they? After all they are all stupid Religious Republicans. Even Susan Jacoby did a hit-piece on Right Wing Atheists in 2011 Surprise, right-wing atheists do exist.(For full disclosure, as an MRA, I align with neither the Right, nor the Left). Funny thing is, this woman in her ‘The Age of American Unreason’ deplores the polarization & echo chambers of today’s America. She says that back in the time of Robert Ingersoll.. when debatres were being held all over America, people from both sides of the spectrum would come and participate in them as the audience. And here she is with a hit-piece on Right-Atheists.

      Its clear that FTB-skepchick are part of the Left that Tammy Bruce.. ex-president of LA NOW, ex-feminist independent conservative.. warned us about in 2002 .. the slice of the Left that squishes any significant opposition not via conventional argument and protest, but by intimidation and strong-arming Book Discussion on the New Thought Police

      What fascinates me is the various OTHER Lefty sub-groups.. skepticink-types, slymepit-types, Bitchspot-types, Jean Kazez-types.. each denouncing others as “Hey.. look at them.. they are racist/sexist/misogynist/hateful. But we.. we are good ones”. Very superficial attempts at understanding the history and what got them to the current state.

      What a humbling lesson in human nature!

  • Jerrad Wohlleber

    Here is American Atheists’ response:

    http://news.atheists.org/2013/06/17/johnson-response/

    • Dylan Ringwood

      Clearly their denial only confirms the depth of their hetero-normative, male chauvinist, racism. As David Silverman himself said only yesterday, “white men are incapable of seeing the world as women.”

      • KacyRay

        Is this a joke?

    • TCC

      It would be appropriate, given the above disclaimer, to put this link more prominently into the post itself.

      • http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous Edward Clint

        I’ve added the response link.

        • TCC

          Without even a hyperlink? Seriously? I’m going to hope that you only failed to do so because of a technological limitation or something, since you clearly had no problem making other links in the text.

          Edit: In case you don’t want to contribute to search engine results, you can add the rel=”nofollow” attribute to the <a> tag.

    • http://skepticink.com/backgroundprobability/ Damion Reinhardt

      Mansplaining.

      • Eshto

        No it’s only mansplaining if a man (or woman, or any gender) who isn’t an Atheism Plus Officially Approved Social Justice Warrior™ tries to explain something.

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  • Ed Hensley

    I do not appreciate the fact that this article chose to put words in my mouth. The author should remove any comments relevant to me. The author did not choose to contact me, although my email addresses, contact information, address, and even phone numbers are all over the internet.

    • Sarah

      You make a fair point. Any time anyone ever mentions anyone in a blog and says “He quit suddenly, rumors suggest he was discontented. He hasn’t spoken publicly about it” they should do their DUE DILIGENCE!

      A sentence on a blog post mentioning someone MUST BE FOLLOWED UP BY TRACKING THEIR EMAIL DOWN AND DEMANDING THEY COMMENT.

      Don’t you guys journalism?

      • Ed Hensley

        This blog does not care about truth. They only care about smearing someone. I am not hard to find.

        • http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous Edward Clint

          I assure you that it does. By all means Mr. Hensley, tell us what the truth of your departure from AA was.

          • Edward Gemmer

            +1. AA is being sued for racial discrimination. This is a pretty big deal so instead of smearing people for reporting this, other insights would be very welcome.

          • Ed Hensley

            As I have already stated, the AA response was accurate. I left my position with AA in order to work solely with local organizations. Please take all references to me out of your poorly written and poorly researched smear job.

          • http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous Edward Clint

            Mr. Hensley all that I have said about you is “rumors suggest he was discontented with American Atheists”. Now, tell me that when you left and while you were leaving that you had had no problem or serious objections to American Atheists, how they treated you and how they have treated your colleagues.

            Before you answer me, please think very carefully about what you want to say.

          • Ed Hensley

            As I have already stated, the AA response was accurate. I left my position with AA in order to work solely with local organizations. Please take all references to me out of your poorly written and poorly researched smear job.

            My email is edwinhensley@gmail.com. If you email me I will give you my phone number.

          • http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous Edward Clint

            Answer my question, Mr. Hensley. You said that I misrepresented you. My representation of you is “rumors suggest he was discontented with American Atheists”. I have never said nor implied you had no specific reasons to leave the group.

            Now were you or were you not discontented with how you or your colleagues were treated by AA? I repeat, I am not asking reasons why you left. I am asking if you were discontented with AA as I originally wrote. Answer my question, or retract your claims that I have misrepresented you.

          • Ed Hensley

            You asked “Tell us the truth for your departure from AA.” I did that multiple times. Then you start asking additional questions. If you want to talk to me, email and speak with me via phone. I did not leave AA due to any discontent. Anyone who says that I left due to discontent is not accurate. I left because I wanted to work on the local groups I have supported as a board member and treasurer of the 501c(3) I started, KY Secular Society. I am not claiming that I never said some words of sympathy to someone who may have been fired that may be misconstrued as discontent. I am not claiming that I have never criticized an AA billboard, policy, or action. But to write in an article that I left due to discontent or that I had discontent while leaving is not accurate. I am a life member of AA, had a wonderful time at their convention after I left, and I still work with AA today, just in a different role, as I work with FFRF, CFI, AU, ACLU, and others. If you want to claim anything else about me, you should talk to me first.

          • http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous Edward Clint

            I have not claimed or denied any reasons you have had for your activism choices. Sympathy for someone who was fired? You mean, the person Silverman said was never fired in the statement you just called “accurate”? But you sympathized? Because they were treated so fairly and left of their own accord?

            And your statements and comments were all “misconstrued”? I find that implausible. And perhaps your current personal and professional interests re: AA motivate you to protect it. The problem is that I know for a fact people have lied for just that reason. Some others who prefer not to be named have (subsequent to this being posted) told me that is what they did, what they had to do. Your account, your denial, Mr. Hensley, changes nothing about the story I reported. The issues you have articulated to others against AA might not count as “discontent” in your mind (utterly bizarre as this is), but they are serious problems in mine and I think most reasonable people who know of them.

            Everything I said about you is therefore supported in facts (as you have now indicated), whether you personally agree with their meaningfulness to the broader context or not. I have given you leeway most do not enjoy on this site, but that is at an end. You have disparaged and insulted me continually. You will apologize for that now or leave my site. Those are your options.

          • Bridget Gaudette

            Ed H. you can be “discontented” and still have left to focus on local organizations. I think your comments about a “smear campaign” is over-the-top. 1/4 of this blog involves me, another black atheist so.. I think my opinion matters. I will not speak to a lot of this because I think there is a possibility that I will be deposed, but much of it is true. I want everyone to tell the whole truth. There are now and will be plenty of lies.

            Check your email.

    • http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous Edward Clint

      I put no words in your mouth, Mr. Hensley. I specifically stated you have not commented on the matter. If you would like to share your story and details of why you left AA, you are welcome to.

      • Ed Hensley

        Your entire article is sloppy, poorly researched, disjointed, and dishonest. I do not wish to have anything to do with it. Please remove my name from your article at once. I do not like what you said about my reasons for leaving. THe statement from AA regarding this article accurately reflects my reasons for leaving. What you said is false.Tonight, I am HOSTING the new KY AA State Director, Jim Helton (http://www.meetup.com/atheists-175/events/120423602/). We met at the AA convention in Austin, which I attended after leaving the AA KY State Director position. Please remove all claims about me in the horrible garbage you have posted.

      • ahermit

        Looks to me like he just commented publicly right here in this comment thread. Might be time to update this post… again…

      • MosesZD

        He, like the baboons that have infested your thread, lack reading comprehension and are quick to get their ‘butt-hurt jiggy’ on over imagined insults… For example:

        When you say ‘rumors suggest’ you’re not quoting him, you’re addressing ‘rumors’ (which are not attributed to anyone) that clearly have no particular source (or presumed accuracy) and are presented as merely speculative. Yet Mr. Hensley charges with putting words in his mouth as if he’s said such a thing. Even though anyone who has grown up in a first-world, English-speaking country and possess a grammar-school-level education should be able to comprehend this distinction from your writing.

  • Jackson

    http://news.atheists.org/2013/06/17/johnson-response/

    Let’s let Silverman get his response in and then let the court sort out the rest.

  • ThePrussian

    Very nice article. “Projection” really is the word here.

    • Daniel Waddell

      Silverman is the Ted Haggard of the Atheist movement. He points his finger at others & screams KKK and misogynist what a joke.

  • iamcuriousblue

    “Other departures include American Atheists’ director of Outreach Blair Scott who resigned in December citing “infighting: at every level” within the atheist movement. “

    Is that another way of saying, as someone so colorfully phrased it, that AA is mired in “the shit”?

    • http://www.geekexile.com/ Brian Fields

      Feel free to ask Blair. His contact information is readily available on the net. Given that Blair is still on the board of directors of AA and I count him as a personal friend, I would feel comfortable answering “Not at all”.

      • iamcuriousblue

        OK, then what prompted Blair Scott’s resignation from AA, with pointed comments about “infighting”?

        BTW, I’m not sure if you understand the context of my comments – this was a direct paraphrase of David Silverman’s colorful language about “the shit” Justin Vacula was involved in vis a vis atheist infighting and how it made him less than effective as an activist. If information on this article is anything to go by, it appears there’s plenty of “the shit” to go around, and that maybe Silverman shouldn’t be quite so quick to point the finger.

        • http://www.geekexile.com/ Brian Fields

          So, because you are unhappy with something that Silverman said to Vacula, it’s OK to say whatever the hell you want about him, true or not?

          In any case, Blair’s story is not mine to tell. He’s freely available on facebook and other social media – Ask him yourself. It would be an improvement over what Ed Clint did in this article.

          If Blair was unhappy with AA, why would he stay on the board of directors?

          • iamcuriousblue

            In response to your first paragraph – I reserve the right to say anything I want about anybody, actually, something I’ll of course exercise at my discretion. Zero foul in pointing to a certain level of hypocrisy on Silverman’s part.

            You’re pointing out that Blair Scott is still an AA official most certainly is a relevant fact to bring to the conversation. In fact, I’d wish you had brought it up earlier rather than simply sniping at me because you apparently don’t like my point of view.

          • http://www.geekexile.com/ Brian Fields

            Given that fact is is already in the article above (Although glossed over), I presumed you already knew that.

          • iamcuriousblue

            Actually, that after-the-fact correction was not in the article when I responded.

            In any event, my response is not really about Blair Scott, but a comment on Silverman’s remarks. I have yet to see anything that contradicts my appraisal of Silverman as somebody who’s throwing stones from inside of a proverbial glass house.

  • http://www.geekexile.com/ Brian Fields

    I’m curious – Why didn’t you approach AA for comment in this article? AA seemed to have a lot to say about it in their rebuttal.

    • http://www.geekexile.com/ Brian Fields

      So wait – Asking the question “Why didn’t you ask the other side for their input” is worth a down vote? Seriously?

      Are we so far entrenched in cults of personality that skepticism and integrity is no longer acceptable?

      • Atheist Loki

        Sadly most people only want the Fox ‘News’ style reporting, in which, only their side gets to coverage.

      • The Father Teresa

        Your privilege is showing…

        Somebody else got a “down vote” simply for saying “Excellent piece”.

        Stop whining.

        • http://www.geekexile.com/ Brian Fields

          WTH are you talking about? What privilege?

          The point I was trying to make is I asked a very reasonable question – One that has yet to receive any sort of reasonable answer from Ed Clint.

          • The Father Teresa

            I clearly spoke of the “votes”… You changed it back to your “reasonable” question.

            You did not respond to what I actually said.

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  • Johnnie Finn

    Apparently no woman can have any fault ever. Fire a woman – sexism. Criticize a woman – misogyny. A woman asks you out on a date but you’re already in a relationship – chauvinism. A woman asks you out on a date but you’re not attracted to her – BIGOT. ALL WOMEN ARE ATTRACTIVE. HOW DARE YOU MAKE ALL WOMEN ASHAMED OF THEIR BODIES BY PUTTING UP A DIFFICULT TO ACHIEVE STANDARD OF BEAUTY YOU FUCKING HITLER YOU.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/girlwriteswhat/videos Astrokid MHRA

      It doesnt end there. Look at all the subgroups with their own White Knights going We will protect the wimminz.. we will work for their equality under an appropriate label (equity feminism, humanism, blah blah).
      Point out the various ways in which wimminz already have numerous rights that men dont have.. How feminist orgs over the last 50 yrs have worked to build more privileges for women than they had traditionally.. **crickets** And back to beating the same old drum. street harassment blah blah.

  • freemage

    I do not know the truth of Ms. Johnson’s claims. I am very glad she’s going to have her day in court. If her allegations are sustained, then she deserves compensation, and American Atheists should be ashamed, and MUST take corrective action. If AA is able to demonstrate her claims are false, then I hope the matter can be laid to rest.

    What I can see right now, however, from the testimony of Mr. Hensley in this thread, and the AA statement (including several facts that would clearly have been available to the author of this piece if he’d so much as done a Google search or bothered sending an email or making a phone call to their offices) is that this is an astoundingly poor piece of citizen journalism.

    Mis-identifying positions people held within the organization (there’s a bit of a distinction between paid professional positions and volunteer positions, even those that entail leadership roles, just as a for-instance) is bad enough, but then pawning off all of these errors and bogus statements with the justification of, “well, rumor has it” is crap reporting, plain and simple.

  • Joycey

    Atheist in-fighting lol

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    Since atheists are already the most hated and distrusted group in the country, you’d think that this would hang over those representing them. Being sexist and racist isn’t going to help our image any better,