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Posted by on Feb 3, 2013 in Critical Thinking, skepticism | 7 comments

On Loxton, Myers, and the Scope of Skepticism

 

The following is a guest post from Matt Madison, whom readers might know as the articulate and thoughtful writer Matt of SkepticismAndEthics.com. There is some very good discussion going on these days about the proper scope and domain of organized skepticism and Matt adds some valuable reflections on the issue. Also, Matt has provided a terrific list of links to writings on the subject at the bottom in case anyone wishes to follow how discourse on this matter has unfolded over the last couple of years.  -Ed

The debate about the scope of skepticism and the skeptical movement has flared up again, and there have been several good posts with detailed and educated viewpoints on the subject. However, the core issue that, in my opinion, causes these perennial arguments, often gets missed. I wrote an article about it for Skepticism and Ethics when the debate flared up in 2011, and I’d like to thank Ed for letting me dust it off and share it with SIN readers. I have made some minor modifications from the original and updated the list of references with more recent links, including the latest exchanges between PZ Myers and Steven Novella.

–Matt Madison

Skepticism and Values

I’ve been meaning to write something in response to Daniel Loxton’s Skepticblog post on the scope of the skeptical movement for some time now, but having been distracted with other things, PZ Myers has beaten me to the punch.  And while I sympathize, to an extent, with Loxton’s desire to put clear boundaries around skepticism, I also agree with some of the points Myers makes in his post.

These arguments are nothing new; they’ve been a  staple of debate among skeptics for a long time. See the links below for fairly recent discussions in which the different views are articulated (some better than others, of course).  The arguing will likely continue, because, in my opinion, they’re about what we value, individually and collectively, as skeptics.

Let’s start with what skepticism is.  In ordinary usage, skepticism is more or less equivalent to simple doubt, but as self-identified skeptics, it means much more.  I’ve seen many definitions around, but they basically share the same core principles:

  • Skepticism is a process or methodology to acquire knowledge.
  • Skepticism relies upon the tools of science — reason, logic, critical thinking, and evidence — to evaluate claims about the world.

Now, there are certain beliefs inherent in these principles:

  1. Acquisition of knowledge is a worthy pursuit. I don’t see this stated often, probably because it’s just taken for granted.
  2. The tools of science are the most reliable way to apply the process. This belief is easily supported by evidence; the sciences have a proven track record in establishing reliable working knowledge of the world around us.   Implicit in this statement, though, is the corollary that when we venture into areas where these tools cannot be applied (or only applied to a limited extent), the reliability of the process is weakened.
  3. The process is more important than any individual conclusion reached by applying it. This is a recognition that science, and therefore skepticism, is an ongoing, collective effort that builds on prior work to achieve an ever-closer approximation to the truth.  That’s why scientists and skeptics talk about provisional conclusions and being open to changing our conclusions in light of new evidence or research.

There may be others, but the above should be sufficient for my point: there is a belief system underlying skepticism.  The beliefs may well be supportable by evidence and reason, but they do reflect values that we hold.  Our more educated skeptics probably consider this obvious and inconsequential, and it probably is, but I want to make it clear that skepticism is not completely value-neutral.  And it’s these values that are, in my opinion, at the core of the disagreement in the “scope” debates.

So I understand Loxton’s anxiety when he said:

Now, “tackle wider topics” is a red flag for me. I’ve spent 20 years of my life in love with scientific skepticism—a distinct and distinguished public service tradition which is worth preserving. In that time, I’ve become rather cynical about scope discussions between skeptics and atheists. Too often, the argument seems to be that the very definition of my field should be scrapped and replaced by a wider rationalism.

And yet, Myers has a point when he says:

Furthermore, this skeptical narrowness intentionally marginalizes the movement and reduces it to irrelevance.

If promoting skepticism among the general public is one of our goals, the topics that we cover should be relevant to that public.  And actually, I think that skeptics have done that, at least within the context of science-related controversies that have arisen over the years.  While the old chestnuts like Bigfoot and UFOs still crop up, issues like vaccination, smart meters, electromagnetic radiation scares, organic farming, and others have also been addressed. When these, or any
other issues, are used to educate people about how to evaluate evidence and employ critical thinking, that’s promoting skepticism.

But I think there is room for taking on additional topics, even if we cannot use all the tools of science to address them.  Educating people on how to think critically about anything, even mundane, everyday topics, is at least a step in the right direction. Whether it’s reading the newspaper, watching television, or just dealing with friends and colleagues, the ability to evaluate the quality of the arguments and evidence we see and hear every day (including our own, when we’re the ones making claims) is a useful tool. Even if it’s not full-blown science, it’s still skepticism.

Of course, Myers is referring specifically to atheism, as that happens to be his area of interest.  But atheism is not skepticism, despite Myers’s assertion:

And ultimately, atheism is not an excluded part of skepticism. Atheism is a subset of skepticism, that part of it that has evaluated the claims of religion and found them deficient. Any skeptical movement that tries to exclude atheism and religion from its domain is diminishing itself in arbitrary and self-defeating ways.

Skepticism of religion and/or religious claims  may lead individuals to atheism as a conclusion (at least a provisional one).  But skepticism is the process, not the conclusion.  And if we have a movement to promote skepticism, it’s promoting that process.  That’s hardly arbitrary — it’s a fundamental principle.  And violating that principle would be self-defeating.

Now, you may well value the spread of atheism, or some social or political cause, more than you value skepticism.  If so, that’s fine.  That doesn’t mean you can’t also be part of the skeptical community, or that anyone is trying to shut you up about what your particular cause might be.   And no one should be excluded from the “big tent” of  skepticism — not atheists, not theists, not even cryptozoologists — if they’re interested in learning how to think critically.  But at the same time, you can’t just say that because you happen to call yourself a skeptic, that the skeptical movement’s goals are, or should be, the same as yours.

References

  1. The Surprising Twists of TAM9’s Diversity Panel, Daniel Loxton, Skepticblog
  2. Atheism is an essential part of skepticism, PZ Myers, Pharyngula
  3. The Conflation Of Skepticism And Atheism – Fact Or Fiction?, Kylie Sturgess, PodBlack Cat
  4. Skepticism and Religion – Again, Steven Novella, Neurologica
  5. What to think vs. how to think, Jim Lippard
  6. Skepticon wrap-up: angry but joking atheists for the win, Amanda Marcotte, Pandagon
  7. Two more cents on skepticism and atheism, Jen McCreight, Blag Hag
  8. Are Atheists Delusional? Thoughts on Skepticon3, Jeff Wagg, Indie Skeptics
  9. A response to Jeff Wagg, JT Eberhard, Atheism Resource
  10. I had no idea I was stepping into a controversy, PZ Myers, Pharyngula
  11. Scientific Skepticism: A Tutorial, Barbara Drescher, ICBS Everywhere
  12. Critical thinking, Wikipedia
  13. The Skeptical Canon, Austin Dacey, CSI web site
  14. Take Back Skepticism, Part I: The Elephant in the Room, Barbara Drescher, ICBS Everywhere
  15. Take Back Skepticism, Part II: The Overkill Window, Barbara Drescher, ICBS Everywhere
  16. Take Back Skepticism, Part III: The Dunning-Kruger Effect, Barbara Drescher, ICBS Everywhere
  17. Mission Drift, Conflation, and Food for Thought, Barbara Drescher, ICBS Everywhere
  18. Overlapping Magisteria, Jamy Ian Swiss, video from TAM 2012
  19. Skeptics have the amazing superpower of being simultaneously fierce and timid, PZ Myers, Pharyngula
  20. A common complaint I hear a lot nowadays, PZ Myers, Pharyngula
  21. Bigfoot Skeptics, New Atheists, Politics and Religion, Steven Novella, Neurologica Blog
  22. Steven Novella Takes on Some of the Oldest Cliches About Scientific Skepticism–Again, Daniel Loxton, Skepticblog
  23. A reply to Steven Novella, PZ Myers, Pharyngula
  24. PZ Replies, Steven Novella, Neurologica Blog
  25. You May Be Forgiven For Thinking That Some Skeptics Are Taking a Firm Stance, But…, Kylie Sturgess, Token Skeptic Blog
  26. Atheists are skeptics, PZ Myers, Pharyngula
  27. What is Skepticism, Anyway?Michael Shermer, Huffington Post

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barbara-A-Drescher/1307296112 Barbara A. Drescher

    *Head*Desk* I have been working on such a list for the last couple of days and you beat me to it! Still, the topic is important enough that it can stand some “market saturation”, so I will keep working on it. Thank you for saving me some work!

    • http://www.www.skepticink.com/incredulous Edward Clint

      I look forward to your post, Barb. :D

  • MosesZD

    This has been my point in this whole kerfluffle. Further, when I watch Myers, et.al., get suckered by a dogmatic ideology… It has been clear, this entire time in this, and many other issues over the years, that Myers has quite a number of sacred cows (of which feminism is just one) and is not nearly as skeptical in practice as he believes.

    • http://twitter.com/GerhardPrinslo1 Gerhard Prinsloo

      PZ Myers beef is not that skepticism doesn’t tackle social and political subjects, his beef appears to be that the ‘skeptical community’ won’t accept his conclusions on these issues. Far from applying skepticism to social issues, he is actively arguing against skeptical analysis of his flavour of feminist theory. We are supposed to accept his interpretations on pain of having our values questioned. This discussion about the scope of skeptical inquiry is a big red herring. It’s revealing to note Myers’ claim that supposed resistance to bringing social theory and politics within scope is motivated by a spirit of anti-inclusiveness (those old CIS-gendered male tools of the Patriarchy again). It’s a game of equivocation between resistance to his brand of social justice theory and resistance to women and minorities in general.

  • http://twitter.com/JMAbrassart JM Abrassart

    I don’t get why engaging in the debate about the nature of the paranormal phenomena (broadly defined) would be “marginalizing the movement and reducing it to irrelevance.”. This is a very condescending point of view about classical skepticism (and I would argue what skepticism is really about, what the fathers of modern skepticism were doing). Bottom line, I don’t agree with PZ Myers (who is not a skeptic as far as I’m concerned. He’s a New Atheist, but a skeptic? What has he done as a skeptic???) and I fully agree with Loxton. Why should we take PZ’s point of view seriously? Well, anyway, I don’t.

    • An Ardent Skeptic

      The problem is that in the scope discussion we seem to have been arguing passed each other rather than getting to the heart of the issue. The heart of the issue is what we should value as skeptics and promote as skeptics. What we should value as skeptics is what skepticism is – a process for reaching provisional conclusions based on critical thinking and evidence. And when we promote skepticism we should be promoting that process. Provisional conclusions reached through the scientific method should be promoted as such, but when doing so we should stress that the reason these conclusions should be promoted is because of the way in which they were reached. (We aren’t always very good about stressing that process when promoting provisional conclusions which is why there is the confusion in the discussion about scope.)

      Matt gets to the heart of the argument in his post – the part of the argument which has been too often overlooked in the discussion – what we value as skeptics and, therefore, what we should value when promoting skepticism.

      P.Z. often uses strawman arguments by focusing on the provisional conclusions that skeptics have chosen to promote (like the efficacy of vaccinations, or the inefficacy of homeopathic medications, or the lack of evidence for Bigfoot or UFOs). What he brushes aside is how those provisional conclusions have been reached. That is why P.Z.’s statement, used in Matt’s post, is a good way to evaluate P.Z.’s claim because it reflects the overall thrust of P.Z.’s argument.

      I’ve watched this discussion over many years. And I have heard “not all atheists are skeptics” used far too often in response to P.Z. An atheist who spouts unscientific bullshit is not an argument against P.Z.’s claim because all of us hold opinions which we have not carefully scrutinized to insure that they are based on sound reasoning and evidence. We need to take P.Z.’s point seriously so that we can evaluate it on it’s merits or lack there of, and we should not be arguing against his position with strawmen of our own. We are bombarded by claims everyday. The application of skepticism helps us evaluate these claims (including P.Z.’s ;-).

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  • Frank

    Wow. So glad I found this. I was beginning to think I was going insane. Myers manipulates language, and definitions, to suit his own agendas. It was good to read something clear and precise for a change. Thanks, Matt.