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Posted by on Feb 26, 2013 in Uncategorized Posts | 3 comments

The Catholic Church Is Lying to This Day: Was Peter the First Pope?

In the wake of Pope Benedict resigning and the desire for a new one to replace him, we need to consider the evidence that Peter was the first Pope. But as Austin Cline argues there isn’t any. Given that the early Catholic Church lied with forged documents like the Donation of Constantine and the Testimonium Flavianum (inserted text into Josephus’s Antiquities of the Jews concerning Jesus), any claim of theirs, including the one that the earliest disciples were martyrs for Jesus, must have evidence for it. In fact, I’ll betcha in the Vatican records themselves the priests who have access to them already know Peter was not the first Pope, that there was no such office. So the Catholic Church is lying to us this very day. It’s just another case of liars for Jesus, something that both Richard Carrier and I have documented before.. It’s never seen more clearly than in the Catholic Church cover-up of pedophile priests. All they can do is stonewall, obfuscate and lie in defense of the indefensible, whatever it takes. They have lost all credibility when it comes to their faith. None is left, none. But then that’s what we see when it comes to faith in general, no matter what the religion. With faith, almost anything can be believed. With faith, people can believe without any evidence at all. With faith, people can even believe against the overwhelming evidence. In fact, with faith, people can even justify lying to defend what they need to believe. It’s pathetic. Yes, it’s THAT bad. I dare say that if Christians went back in time to the start-up of the early church they would almost all blast its rise as nothing more than a number of harmful pious cultic frauds, by leaders who sought power over others.

  • Opera Arches

    The Great Theatre of Ruin

    debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2717

  • NoCrossNoCrescent

    John, I have always wanted to ask you (and this seems to be the right occasion), what did you think about catholicism when you were a fundamentalist christian? It is my understanding that catholics and fundamentalist protestants are not the best buddies (Mike Huckabee’s proclamation of “we are all catholics today” not withstanding).

  • http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/ John W. Loftus

    Remember that was 20 + years ago when I was a evangelical, before these modern scandals. I grew up a Catholic and attended Marquette University for my Ph.D, which was a Catholic one. I liked that they relaxed some standards after Vatican II.  I was the President of the ministerial association where Catholic priests participated. I had met many Catholics and liked their commitment to social justice, especially abortion. I thought they were wrong but didn’t think they would necessarily go to hell for being wrong. That was then. This is now.