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Posted by on Nov 1, 2013 in Uncategorized | 19 comments

“Unmanned”: A New Film About U.S. Drone Strikes

There is a new film that has just been released by filmmaker Robert Greenwald titled Unmanned: America’s Drone Wars. I watched clips of it on today’s Democracy Now broadcast. At the film’s website War Costs.com you can watch the film for free for a limited time. All that is required is an email address. Here is the trailer:

I urge all readers to view this film. It highlights the tragic human costs of the drone wars and it features many victims’ family members and survivors of drone attacks, along with interviews with military personal, activists, and other government officials.

  • Peter

    Oh boy, the dynamic duo here will be after you for this!

  • NoCrossNoCrescent

    Does the movie make a mention of the fact that leaders of Lashkar-e-Taiba freely roam Pakistani cities and address mass rallies? Does it offer any way to stop them in the face of total inaction on the part of the Pakistani government? Or is it completely ignoring their victims, from New York to London, Madrid, Nairobi, and Mumbai? Another piece of propaganda. So what’s new under the sun.

    • ArizonaAtheist

      Hi NCNC,

      Why don’t you watch the movie and find out? It covers many of the facts we’ve been over numerous times already, and also has several interviews with drone pilots and
      innocent survivors from drone attacks. “Propaganda???” Interesting. You
      haven’t even watched the film yet and you’re already calling it “propaganda?” Wow. OK…. Nice “skeptical” attitude there…. :- )

      • NoCrossNoCrescent

        Not really, I don’t need to watch Nazi material before knowing it is propaganda either. So the movie doesn’t interview victims of militants in Mumbai, Nairobi, and London? How “surprising”.

        • ArizonaAtheist

          Wow… No, you’re not biased. Not at all. I still can’t wrap my head around the fact that you continue to disregard the tenets of skepticism when it comes to the subject of politics, while using the same tenets for the most part in your discussions about religion. You don’t see the huge discrepancy there? If someone came to you and disregarded the fact that the Holocaust took place, and when you told them to read a few books on the subject, and they responded with “It’s all ‘propaganda’ anyway, so why bother,” would you even for a second believe this person was being open minded and taking the position of a skeptic? Hell no! So, why do you do this on the subject of drones? All of your facts have been proven false or inaccurate but you continue to believe. You’re acting no different than a devout religious believer here. Can you honestly not see this? It just boggles my mind.

  • NoCrossNoCrescent

    Well see. That is a very common tactic among creationists, historical revisionists and the like: how can you dismiss our material without having viewed it all. Guess we what. I simply don’t have the time to watch every single ghost chasing or Bigfoot “documentary” under the sun. It’s not like I haven’t heard the claims or seen similar “evidence” in the past. As for things that boggle the mind-ever since you claimed that an explicitly Islamist organization (the one Tsarnaev belonged to) was NOT motivated by Islam-they don’t exist for me any more.

    • ArizonaAtheist

      Here is where your analogy breaks down. Holocaust deniers’ arguments fly in the face of mountains of data, as do your claims. As far as Tsarnaev, you’re denying his very own statements for his motivations, providing non-religious reasons. You still did not answer my question. Do you, or do you not, see a striking similarity with your evasions and denials and those of religionists? Do you not see how you faithfully apply critical thinking skills in one area of your life, but not in another? Why the discrepancy?

  • NoCrossNoCrescent

    Lol. Discrepancy! Tsarnaev’s own statement was “we Muslims are all one”. No hint of an Islamic ideology there! Not to mention his MEMEBERSHIP in an Islamist organization, for crying out loud! As for unanswered questions, I am yet to learn how Lashkar-e-Taiba are to be stopped from killing more people like their Mumbai massacre of 2008, given that law enforcement in Pakistan in the world’s laughing stock.

    • ArizonaAtheist

      CBS News reported what he wrote inside where he was hiding out: “The note — scrawled with a marker on the interior wall of the cabin — said the bombings were retribution for U.S. military action in Afghanistan and Iraq, and called the Boston victims ‘collateral damage’ in the same way Muslims have been in the American-led wars. ‘When you attack one Muslim, you attack all Muslims,’ Tsarnaev wrote.” The reasons for his actions could not be more clear: US actions lead to the Boston attack. But we’ve been over all of this before and each of your arguments have been proven to be false. But like any devout religious believer, facts don’t seem to matter to you. Pity… (And you continue to deflect and refuse to answer my question…) You also may want to read this: http://www.policymic.com/articles/36801/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-u-s-foreign-policy-was-motivation-for-boston-bombings

  • NoCrossNoCrescent

    Oh boy. Hilarious. Where are
    the answers to MY questions? I am still waiting to hear how you propose this guy should be stopped.

    http://www.skepticink.com/nocrossnocrescent/2013/09/07/murderer-with-millions-on-his-head-addresses-thousands-of-supporters-calling-for-jihad/

    Now for Tsarnaev, there are countless tragedies in this world that could have received his attention, but he chose only those two to get angry about because… he was a follower of radical Islam, which preaches that all Muslims are part of the same body (Ummah) as he himself spelled it out? And if we had any doubt where he got the idea, we have been enlightened to the fact that the 2 brothers started getting obsessed with such ideas precisely as they became MORE RELIGIOUS. http://www.skepticink.com/nocrossnocrescent/2013/07/30/innocent-looking-tsarnaev-beyond-the-controversial-rolling-stone-picture/
    But hey, like you said we’ve been over this many times and one of us won’t change his mind in the face of overwhelming evidence due to political ideology. Except that it is not me.

    • ArizonaAtheist

      I’ve already responded to all of your questions about what to do about extremists. As far as Tsarnaev goes, he stated his political reasons in the note he left. What more is
      there to say? At most, he may – may – have had some religious influences (I still have not seen any direct quotes of this), but what drove him over the edge? The killing of innocent people, as he stated several times (quotes like this I have seen), even in a court testimony I believe. But assuming this is true, it would not contradict what I’ve been saying all along. Religion is a factor in many of these attacks, but foreign policy is a reason for many more. That is a fact you continue to deny. It’s all about religion with you, but the facts don’t support that by any means, as I’ve proven over and over with numerous quotes.

      • NoCrossNoCrescent

        Lol. So you never answer a specific question, but maintain I am the one deflecting questions. And you maintain that you have”proven” anything (beside the fact that not everyone agrees with you) and you accuse me of failing to be skeptical! Man, I don’t know where I would get the belly laughs otherwise. Now, for Tsarnaev, in case you missed it, people don’t generally react to “killing of innocent people” by bombing athletic events. And Al Qaeda continues to murder in Afghanistan and Iraq, where was his outrage at that? Or for that matter, the casualties of civil wars in Cololmbia or the Democratic Republic of Congo? Except that these were not infidel vs Muslim conflicts, and the good Islamist that he was, he wouldn’t feel as one with the victims as they were not part of the Ummah, like he himself told us so eloquently. But hey, don’t let me get in the way of your “proving” things!

        • ArizonaAtheist

          As I said, I’ve already responded on that point, so what’s the point? Just go back and read what I’ve said about what to do about terrorists.

          How do you know people don’t bomb athletic events due to anguish over the murder of innocent people? This is a highly strange and illogical statement. He was simply attacking innocent people, just as the US attacks innocent people in the Middle East. He wanted revenge. Those who acknowledge the facts agree with me (even assuming a majority agreed with you, that’s simply a logical fallacy and proves nothing). Unfortunately, most people are sucked in by the government’s propaganda, as I demonstrated in my take-down of your first two posts. Honestly, you really have nothing left, so I don’t see why you continue to argue for a position that has shown to be devoid of facts. Which is a perfect comparison to the religiously devout and their stubbornness to accept facts that contradict their views.

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  • NoCrossNoCrescent

    No, you never did. I have asked you practically every time I posted on this thread what should be done specifically about Lashkar-e-Taiba and the fact of law enforcement’s utter failure to deal with them.
    Now Tsarnaev wanted revenge. For people unrelated to him by language, culture and ethnicity. Religion is the elephant in the room and you keep denying it.
    Hitchens did q nice job exposing the role of Nixon administration in violence in Vietnam, Cambodia, East Timor and Chile. Yet no one remotely related to any of these places (remote as in Chechnya to Afghanistan) bombed an athletic event in the US. Maybe because in those parts of the other world the concept of “if you attack one of us you’ve attacked all of us”(“Ummah”) doesn’t exist?
    As for people who disagree with you being influenced by government propaganda-the Tea Party has all but copyrighted that line, so you better watch out!

    • ArizonaAtheist

      If you had read what I said, religion may be a partial cause in the Tsarnaev case. I’m simply not jumping to conclusions until I see a direct quote by Tsarnaev admitting to religious motivations. Until then, all there is to go on is his politically motivated reasons: the wars in the Middle East. It appears the only one blatantly ignoring evidence is you. Regarding Lashkar-e-Taiba, the same applies to any other group who needs to be contained. As per my comment policy I think any discussion on this issue is fruitless and I’m done with it. Even after many months, you continue to ignore the facts I’ve layed out and all you’ve got left is pure bluster. I’ve been in more than enough debates to know when the other person is done, and they’re just grasping at straws to deny the facts that have been placed before them and there’s no point in conversing with anyone when a discussion approaches that moment. I see no point in going around in circles.

  • Al

    This is just Muslamic terrorist propaganda. Politics, smolitics. Muslamic terrorism can be explained by one variable: Islam. I think Arizona Atheist is a secret Muslim and an Arab.

    • ArizonaAtheist

      I hope you’re being sarcastic. :- )

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