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Posted by on May 26, 2013 in Uncategorized | 16 comments

Ignorant People Can March

They proved it when they marched against GM crops:

“March Against Monsanto” protesters say they wanted to call attention to the dangers posed by genetically modified food and the food giants that produce it. Founder and organiser Tami Canal said protests were held in 436 cities across 52 countries.

Genetically modified plants are grown from seeds that are engineered to resist insecticides and herbicides, add nutritional benefits, or otherwise improve crop yields and increase the global food supply. Most corn, soybean and cotton crops grown in the United States today have been genetically modified. But some say genetically modified organisms can lead to serious health conditions and harm the environment.

with no proof whatsoever!

I guess it’s much more easier to protest against better and more food when you’re a well-fed know-nothing.

Go tell African children they ought to die because you’re too lazy to Google through a topic and have a ton of facts that would be harmful to your beliefs.

  • ThePrussian

    These people should stand trial.

    • http://de-avanzada.blogspot.com/ Ðavid A. Osorio S

      Hahaha! Ignorance shouldn’t be something to be held accountable for (I mean, for going to jail!), but sure as hell, politicians shouldn’t pay attention to any of these know-nothings!

      • ThePrussian

        Okay, that was sloppily phrased; not these specific people, but the ones who have put this into practice should. I still cannot get away from the death toll that the ban on Golden Rice brought with it.

        Take when Greenpeace convinced Zambia to reject GM food aid. That’s actually a war crime, look it up.

        • http://de-avanzada.blogspot.com/ Ðavid A. Osorio S

          Ohh, yeah! 100% with you on this one.

  • Jennifer S. Guinn

    I have a few questions… So, who do you work for? Do you eat lots of processed chemical, anitbiotic and hormone laden foods, or do you eat locally grown natural foods? Do you really believe it when they approve foods without doing legitimate research by an OBJECTIVE scientific community. Do you believe corporate pundits over scientists?? Why would the industry buy politicians and pay obscene amounts of money in ad campaigns to squash the efforts of a growing number of concerned citizens just to avoid LABELING the food, so people can make an informed choice of what is in their food? I suppose you support making it a crime to videotape or photograph food production facilities. Why do you think we have Alzheimer’s, Autism, sudden jumps in these as well as allergies to common foods such as milk, peanuts, and wheat gluten? Who did the studies claiming genetically modified foods are safe? The industry itself…. You really think drenching a field in insecticide and herbicide is healthy? Engineering crops to EXPLODE the belly of the insect that eats it is healthy? How about aspartame. Why would you trust the company who created DDT and Agent Orange? I suppose Agent orange was safe too. Tell that to all the dead veterans. Back up your claims using objective scientific study and I might listen to your opinion. You are the sheeple, being fed lies and poison food. Or maybe you are one of the wolves.

    • http://de-avanzada.blogspot.com Ðavid A. Osorio S

      I have a few questions…

      This should be fun.

      who do you work for?

      Irrelevant. It doesn’t matter who I work for, but the arguments and the evidence. If you should know, I’m unemployed right now, not that it changes anything.

      Do you eat lots of processed chemical, anitbiotic and hormone laden foods, or do you eat locally grown natural foods?

      Irrelevant as well. My food choices doesn’t change the fact that GMOs have all the evidence in their favor. I avoid the so-called ‘oganic’ food, which is unhealthy, dangerous and expensive (it’s a multimillion dollar industry).

      Do you really believe it when they approve foods without doing legitimate research by an OBJECTIVE scientific community. Do you believe corporate pundits over scientists?

      Once again – irrelevant. It doesn’t matter what I believe, but the evidence. And the evidence-based scientific community says GMOs are healthy. I believe scientists over corporate pundits – that’s why I rather GMOs over ‘organic’.

      Why would the industry buy politicians and pay obscene amounts of money in ad campaigns to squash the efforts of a growing number of concerned citizens just to avoid LABELING the food, so people can make an informed choice of what is in their food?

      Because it’s bad for business, just as it’s bad for ‘organic’ and ‘nature’ businesses to have affordable, healthier and better food developed than theirs. You really need to read this: What Should We Know About Foreign Genes In Our Food?

      I suppose you support making it a crime to videotape or photograph food production facilities.

      Again – irrelevant. Think whatever you like; that’s your problem, I couldn’t care less.

      Why do you think we have Alzheimer’s, Autism, sudden jumps in these as well as allergies to common foods such as milk, peanuts, and wheat gluten?

      Once again – it doesn’t matter what I believe. What matters is what the evidence tells us. And there’s no evidence (not even weak evidence) linking any of that to biotechnology. Your question is a fallacy known as appealing to ignorance. You really suck at debating, you know?

      The industry itself

      Ohh, it was a rhethorical question which, you were kind enough to answer… with no evidence to support your claim. Too bad – it makes it as true as any lie.

      You really think drenching a field in insecticide and herbicide is healthy?

      It depends: Healthy for whom? Which insecticides? Which herbicides? How many times a day? Which kind of crop? How much herbicide/insecticide? Again: what I think is irrelevant. What’s relevant is the evidence. How many times am I going to need to say this?

      Who did the studies claiming genetically modified foods are safe?

      Who didn’t? Every self-respecting scientist who have studied them – industries, independent scientists, University research scientists, government scientists. Virtually, every honest scientist who studied GMOs.

      Engineering crops to EXPLODE the belly of the insect that eats it is healthy?

      Again: Healthy for whom?

      How about aspartame.

      What about it?

      Why would you trust the company who created DDT and Agent Orange?

      Ohh, thanks for proving you’re so ignorant! This is cute! Agent Orange wasn’t created by any company – it was discovered by Arthur Galston, when he was working for the University of Illinois. I’ll go out on a limb, here: you got that from that propaganda pamphlet The World According to Monsanto, made by a liar, Marie-Monique Robin, who became famous by making a fake-documentary (who’d say!) about the urban legend of people having their organs stolen and saying that was true.

      Yes, Monsanto produced Agent Orange and DDT. This was because the US Government asked them (and many other companies) to produce them, and before there was any knowledge of how toxic these are – it wasn’t illegal to produce them by that time and when they discovered AO and DDT were this bad, they stopped producing them. Got it? So please, make yourself a favor, and don’t make a fool out of yourself repeating nonsensical memes you watched on YouTube.

      You’re welcome!

      Back up your claims using objective scientific study and I might listen to your opinion.

      I couldn’t care less if you listen to my opinion. BTW, another fallacy: even if Monsanto was as half as evil as you paint it to be, that wouldn’t make the GMOs any less safer, healthier or better than they are. It’s called non sequitur.

      You are the sheeple, being fed lies and poison food. Or maybe you are one of the wolves.

      Yes, I’m a badass! Mwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

    • http://de-avanzada.blogspot.com/ Ðavid A. Osorio S

      This should be funny.

      “who do you work for?”

      Irrelevant. My arguments are judged on their own merit. If you should know, I’m unemployed.

      “Do you eat lots of processed chemical, anitbiotic and hormone laden foods, or do you eat locally grown natural foods?”

      Irrelevant, again. Naturalistic fallacy. All food is natural. What I eat doesn’t change my arguments.

      “Do you really believe it when they approve foods without doing legitimate research by an OBJECTIVE scientific community. Do you believe corporate pundits over scientists?”

      Again, irrelevant – what I believe doesn’t matter. What matters is the evidence. I believe scientists over corporate pundits – that’s why I prefer GMOs over so called ‘organic’ food.

      “Why would the industry buy politicians and pay obscene amounts of money in ad campaigns to squash the efforts of a growing number of concerned citizens just to avoid LABELING the food, so people can make an informed choice of what is in their food?”

      Because it’s bad for business… just as it’s bad for ‘organic’ and ‘natural’ businesses to have better, cheaper and healthier food: http://www.truthabouttrade.org/2012/10/22/the-roots-of-the-anti-genetic-engineering-movement-follow-the-money/

      And, if you want to label GMOs, ‘organic’ food and every other kind of food should be labeled as well: http://www.biofortified.org/2012/02/what-should-we-know-about-foreign-genes-in-our-food/

      “I suppose you support making it a crime to videotape or photograph food production facilities.”

      I couldn’t care less about what you think of me. If I did it wouldn’t change the evidence: GMOs are safer and better.

      “Why do you think we have Alzheimer’s, Autism, sudden jumps in these as well as allergies to common foods such as milk, peanuts, and wheat gluten?”

      Once more: irrelevant. Appealing to ignorance fallacy. It doesn’t matter what I think, but what the evidence says. There’s not a shred of evidence (not even a weak link) between those and GMOs.

      “Who did the studies claiming genetically modified foods are safe?”

      Once again: irrelevant. And another fallacy: ad hominem. Answering: Who didn’t? Corporate scientists, independent scientist, Universities reaserch scientists, government scientists. Every self-respecting and honest scientist who has done GMOs studies have concluded they’re safe.

      “The industry itself”

      Ohh, it was a rhethorical question. Well, you certainly are proving my point. I guess ignorant people can comment as well.

      “You really think drenching a field in insecticide and herbicide is healthy?”

      It depends: healthy for who? what ammount of insecticide/herbicide? What insecticide/herbicide? For how long? And again: it doesn’t matter what I think – it’s about the evidence.

      “How about aspartame.”

      What about it?

      “Why would you trust the company who created DDT and Agent Orange?”

      What? Agent Orange was created by a company? Ohh, man, they sure as hell should be pissed at Arthur Galston for getting all the credit!!

      BTW, when Monsanto produced (PRODUCED) DDT and AO, it was because the US Government asked them to (just like it asked many other companies). By then, no one knew how deadly and toxic they were, and they weren’t illegal. Are you really saying they should have known what hadn’t been discovered yet and have them accountable for that?

      I’ll make a wild guess: you watched “The World According to Monsanto”, right? Yeah… that propaganda-riddled pamphlet is full of lies (just like any other film made by that liar – Marie-Monique Robin). Please, consider don’t making a fool out of yourself and fact-checking anything you watch on YouTube.

      You’re welcome!

      “Back up your claims using objective scientific study and I might listen to your opinion.”

      I couldn’t care less if you listen to my opinion or not.

      “You are the sheeple, being fed lies and poison food. Or maybe you are one of the wolves.”

      Yes, I’m a total badass! Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!

      • ThePrussian

        That was a thing of beauty. I enjoyed that!

        • http://de-avanzada.blogspot.com/ Ðavid A. Osorio S

          Thank you. I hope you enjoyed reading it as much as I enjoyed answering!

  • Steve

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691512005637#FCANote Here is a study done in France of long term use of GM corn on rats. I’m not saying its a smoking gun, but it is evidence that does link the use the GM foods and tumors growing on rats. While I don’t want anyone to starve and I understand we need GM food for the world food supply, we can’t ignore stuff like this.

    • http://de-avanzada.blogspot.com/ Ðavid A. Osorio S

      Dude, really? The Gilles-Eric Séralini paper, which was fabricated and has been scorned by every self-respecting scientist and science journalist?

      http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/the-gm-corn-rat-study/

      It’s not evidence. It’s fake evidence.

      But you’re right on one thing: we can’t ignore stuff like this. You should stop promoting bad science like it’s actual evidence! That’s the first step.

      • Steve

        Alright, can you point me to a source that refutes the paper? I’m legitimately trying to find one. I will change my mind as soon as I find it.

      • Steve

        Nevermind, I found Emily Sohn’s breakdown of it. I apologize for that.

        • http://de-avanzada.blogspot.com/ Ðavid A. Osorio S

          I’m glad you did! I’d love it if everyone who hates GMOs had your same attitude!

          • Steve

            Research and changing views based on evidence is my policy. Only way you can improve yourself.

          • http://de-avanzada.blogspot.com/ Ðavid A. Osorio S

            That’s a great policy. I try to make it mine as well.